Thomas wrote:OmSigDAVID wrote:Subsequently, governments started using civilians who were part-time soldiers
armed at the public expense, and under government control.
These militia were called " selected militia " ( selected by government ).
Such militia are represented in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
How do you know that?
As I remember, I first came into contact with this information
in military science class, in college, Thomas.
The Army taught military history.
Since then ( and before then ), I have had an abiding interest in history.
I like to know what happened.
More particularly, I have been interested in my fellow citizens
rejecting usurpations of their rights, specificly concerning
the right to self defense and to access of the means of implimenting it.
I have read fairly widely, and perhaps in some depth, over the years and decades.
I 'm certain that u know that, as lawyers,
we CARE
about what happened in the past, thus to enable ourselves to prepare
factual and legal analyses of the situation qua the present and the future.
Quote:I don't see any inconsistency that would arise if the constitution's usage of the word "militia"
was the same in the militia clause as in the Second Amendment.
The inconsistency is between whether a government is in control
of militia,
or NOT.
Historically, both forms of militia have existed,
particularly in the times antedating the advent of police forces.
Quote:You say that in the Second Amendment, "militia" means "the people in armed condition".
Why can't it mean the same in the militia clause?
In Article I Section 8,
it is explicitly set forth that these militia
have officers who 've been appointed by
government.
Hence, these militia are not and cannot be
the citizens themselves, fully autonomous
and acting independently.
These militia are clearly a
GOVERNMENT operation
and, in theory, thay cud be brought into military conflict
with the citizens themselves, organized as " well regulated militia ",
comparable to the Colonial Militia of Virginia, loyal to the King
and under the command of his governor,
being brought into battle against the " well regulated militia "
of George Mason and George Washington called the " Fairfax County Militia Organization. "
Accordingly, whether militia are " selected "
or are " well regulated " can have a lot to do with
whose side thay are ON.
Quote:It would mean no less and no more than that the US government can draft people
for military service in times of war.
It cannot draft people into the service of
private militia.
" Well regulated militia " are the opposite of the public militia
specified in Article I Section 8.
That 'd almost be similar to the US government drafting people
into the service of the Brinks Armored Car Service,
or Wells Fargo Armored Cars and armed couriers.
David
