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The US Economy

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 02:06 pm
It's fun to watch but I have trouble taking the commentary that seriously. I just know by my personal experience. I know in the art business there hasn't be an inflation but a devaluation.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 06:30 pm
LW, It's not only the art business that's in a devaluation mode. If anybody wants to stay in business today in most industries, they must compete for every dollar, and that means reducing prices to bare-bones.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 06:33 pm
BTW, I noticed that JC Pennys had a sale last week. It was 50 percent off "everything" in their store, plus an extra 10 percent for shopping from Friday through Sunday. They must get rid of inventory, and that's about the best way to reduce it. The local store was packed, and many shoppers actually bought. Many walked out with many bags full of goods.
My wife and I were the exception; we walked out empty handed. For me, I didn't want to wait in the long line at all the service desks.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 07:17 pm
There's also rampant downsizing going on. Manufacturers and other producers including services are not giving you what you used to get. Everything from less sheets on a paper towel roll to second rate service from techs you call when your computer or DVD player goes nuts. I've noticed it in electronics -- the new models will often drop features rather than raise the price. What has kept a lot of that go unnoticed is the cheaper prices on PC's, for instance. This comes from the innards coming from gawd knows where. Hard drives from Borneo? Of course, the Internet used to have a lot of freebies and that's mostly all gone. It now costs way more to store anything online (MSN Groups lowered their storage level way down two years ago). The cheaper DVD players -- good luck if they last more than the 90 day warrantee. It also noticable on cars -- what used to be included are now "extras." They still can get one to buy with very low interest deals. I know in the lighting industry which I am, of course, also very familiar with, brand name halogen lamps are on the shelves at Home Despot but the lamp inside is manufactured where the Chinese food is hot and spicy. Bad lamps and not at a price commenserate with the loss of quality. Mediocrity is accepted and a smart sales pitch is gullibly soaked up by the unwise.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 07:58 pm
.....and that's the way it was, and still is.......
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2003 10:40 pm
US National Debt Clock
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 12:10 am
Wilso, Looks more like the world population increase.......
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RicardoTizon
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 03:09 am
The boom bust cycle is a constant that we have to live with especially in the real estate market. I was there when Orange County filed bankruptcy. I remember the treasurer Robert Citron, hailed one year as one of the best treasuer in California and responsible for the bankruptcy the following year.

Whenever there is a boom, there is a group of people making money an when there is a bust another group of people makes a ton of money. I was in the mortgage business and we make a ton of money whenever the economic is in trouble because interest rates goes down drastically and we thrive on the refinance market.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 04:04 am
In a strong economy, anyone with a secure job, but stable wage, (such as myself) is worse off. Prices will go up. The interest on my mortgage will increase, but I won't earn any more.
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RicardoTizon
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 04:10 am
In a bad economy, anyone with a unsecure job gets laid off, the prices are down but he/she cannot go shopping, the mortgage interests are low but still he/she cannot pay for it.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 04:33 am
And yet the CEO's still get massive bonuses.
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RicardoTizon
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 04:35 am
Yes, that or keep the workers.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:06 am
Newsflash:
Democrats Devasted, Deeply Saddened

Quote:
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Payrolls Surge, Third Straight Rise[/size]
Fri November 07, 2003 09:13 AM ET

By Anna Willard


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. economy added more than twice the number of jobs expected in October, the third straight monthly gain, and the jobless rate fell, the government said on Friday in a report pointing to a labor market recovery.

The Labor Department also made substantial upward revisions to payrolls for August and September, a sign sizzling economic growth in the third quarter translated into more jobs.

The number of workers on U.S. payrolls outside the farm sector in October soared 126,000, the largest rise since January, after climbing 125,000 in the previous month. The number far outstripped analyst expectations for a 58,000 gain.

The unemployment rate fell to 6.0 percent, the lowest since April, from 6.1 percent in September. That also beat economist forecasts for the jobless rate to remain unchanged.

"Obviously there were very good numbers across the board. More important, though, are the big revisions in August and September upward. Suddenly, here we are with three positive months," said Christopher Low, chief economist at FTN Financial in New York.

The dollar soared and bond prices slumped after the data.

President Bush, facing a re-election campaign in 2004, will likely welcome the numbers as a defense against political opponents who charge he has not done enough to create jobs.

Broader economic signs have been on an upward path for several weeks.

The economy grew at a blockbuster 7.2 percent pace in the third quarter of the year. But partly due to huge productivity gains, the job market has been lagging other areas.

Speaking on Thursday after the Labor Department reported a surprisingly large drop in the number of Americans claiming jobless benefits, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the chances of a job growth pick-up were rising.

However, the Fed chief signaled U.S. interest rates are likely to remain low for some time. At its last policy-setting meeting on Oct. 28, the Fed kept its key federal funds target rate at a 45-year low of 1 percent and said it could hold it there for a considerable period.

A large portion of the payrolls increase came from the service sector, which added 143,000 jobs, the largest climb since January. The Labor Department said a grocery strike and lockout affecting 70,000 workers in Southern California had a net positive impact on employment.

The retail trade sector added 30,000 jobs, the education and health services sector created 56,000 jobs and professional and business services rose by 43,000.

In an encouraging sign for the months ahead, the number of hours worked increased to 33.8 in October from 33.7 in September. When companies are poised to boost hiring they often increase the hours worked by their current staff first.

Average hourly earnings also rose, rising to $15.46 from $15.45 the prior month.

Manufacturing continued to lose jobs in October, but at a slower pace than in previous months. The hard-hit sector, which has seen declines for 39 consecutive months, shed 24,000 positions in the month.[/b]


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Get over it. The Economy has.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:29 am
God, you're going to look like a fool if it doesn't...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:34 am
You got a point there, PDiddie. I sure will. Its gonna hurt some too; I've got my own real money riding on it. Now, I don't expect a bumpless ride, by any means, but to my estimation, the upswing has begun, and the time for bargain hunting is just about over. Those who didn't get back into the market last spring have probably missed the bulk of the near-term runup.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:40 am
Timber -- could we maybe settle down here and agree that the economy affects us all? I want Bush to fall flat on his face but I'd just as soon he do it over another issue and not the economy. Aside from my personal economic concerns, it's really hard to see people out of work, unable to get help, etc. etc. I'm sure you feel the same way. So why continue to treat this as a "binary" issue? Why set it up so one side or the other looks silly? Some see the economy as about to take off. Others see the issue as more complex. "More complex" is not only realistic, it offers an opportunity to keep the conversation, which we all find interesting, going!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 09:53 am
I'll graciously accept your concession on this issue, Tartarin. We can move on.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:02 am
Ah, Timber -- that wasn't a "concession." Far from it. It was just an attempt to inject a little comity in the discussion. But (I shoulda remembered), Timber is not a moderator...
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:04 am
Wilso wrote:
In a strong economy, anyone with a secure job, but stable wage, (such as myself) is worse off. Prices will go up. The interest on my mortgage will increase, but I won't earn any more.

Sounds like you might want to consider looking for a better job. :wink:
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2003 10:05 am
PDiddie wrote:
God, you're going to look like a fool if it doesn't...

While you have for some time now... :wink:
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