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The US Economy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2003 07:11 pm
Here's one of the major examples of what's driving the stock market today. Today's news was concentrated in Intel. Their sales and profit margin was better than projected for the past quarter, so the price of Intel stock went up .18c. Wait a minute~! The price earnings ratio on Intel stock is now 60 to 1. Whoa, there, kimosabe. Something is drastically wrong when one must invest $60 to earn $1. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2003 07:12 pm
the only person i hear sounding like bagdad bob is George W. but thats ok we need humour.
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2003 07:16 pm
Brand x just started Russian oil priced in euros. I hadn't seen it before, but do not find it hopeful - from the US standpoint, at least. Does anyone differ.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2003 07:18 pm
Unless Russia controls OPEC. Wink
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 05:00 pm
I do sorta differ rog ... a weakening dollar vs the Euro actually negatively impacts the European economies, by way of making European exports to the US, a major player in the Eurozone's trading, relatively more expensive to would-be American consumers. A Euro valued much above $1.20 or so could actually hinder, if not reverse, the nascent European recovery, in the view of many analysts both here and abroad.
It should be noted as well that Putin's remarks indicated merely that he was not averse to the idea of pricing Russian oil in Euros, not that he intended to champion it. It is very far from a "done thing", and faces obstacles considerably more substantial than simple sentiment.

Now on to some updated info on the US Economy: BBC - US Recovery "gathers pace"

Though tinged with caution bordering on skepticism, the assessment is far from gloomy:

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... The US Federal Reserve said it its 'beige book,' a snapshot of economic conditions around the country, that the pace of economic expansion had picked up in most regions, helped by robust consumer spending and an increasingly buoyant manufacturing sector ...
... highlighting an increase in demand for temporary workers in New York, Chicago, Dallas and other cities ... seen as a sign that companies are starting to hire again ... The Fed also highlighted evidence that the manufacturing sector may also be beginning to emerge from the doldrums ... The central bank said orders for machine tools had risen ... On the consumer side, spending remained robust and demand for new houses was also buoyant, the Fed said.


Now personally, despite strong earnings statements from US corporations rolling in day by day, I expect a bit of softening in the early 4th quarter, driven by profit-taking by investors and a bit of corporate breath-taking before galloping off into substantial hiring. Given the seasonal nature of a good portion of Q4 hiring, along with typical seasonal slowing in durable-goods purchases, little can be read from those particular statistics. Q1 '04 should be a far more reliable indicator. The April announcements, if tracking as promised by recent trendings, followed by confirmatory Q2 '04 numbers due in August would be very good news indeed for Bush the Younger.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 05:26 pm
No blues from BIG BLUE

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IBM hits mark, eyes adding 10,000 jobs

By Shawn Langlois, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 5:39 PM ET Oct. 15, 2003

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- IBM matched third-quarter earnings targets Wednesday and said it would look to add 10,000 new jobs next year, providing further evidence of a healthy earnings season and reinforcing views of a broad-based technology rebound ...
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 05:54 pm
The report I heard (on NPR) was a bit more qualified. It said that IBM would add UP TO 10,000 jobs. Still the arrow is pointed in the right direction. Of equal significance is what those jobs will be, manufacturing or service. The report did not say. Manufacturing jobs would be better.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 05:58 pm
That is good news, indeed, but is that 10,000 jobs to be added in the US or elsewhere?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 06:04 pm
According to IBM's Palmisano,
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"Looking ahead, Palmisano added that in 2004 customer spending would ramp up and "while demand is not yet across the board, it is strongest in the areas where we have positioned the company and strengthened our capabilities."

Big Blue will look to add new jobs in key skill areas such as Linux and open-standards-based hardware and software.

He doesn't really say where the jobs are to be loated, though most of IBM's manufacturing and development are US based.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 06:08 pm
There's also a class-action suit against IBM.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 06:14 pm
I would be willing to take some profits, Timber, 4th quarter or whenever. I am finally close to breakeven, which is a major improvement
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 08:41 pm
That's interesting about IBM, given that they have consistently cut jobs this year, even this month. I haven't done the addition on how many this year, but perhaps 1500 since early August, in software, selected plants, etc.. Cuts.

CUTS while SAYING they're "looking to" adding jobs is very Bush-like. Just say it. Maybe they'll believe it.

Meanwhile, I have some promised-maybe-someday jelly to put on your peanut butter sandwich!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 08:49 pm
If I remember correctly, IBM was talking about laying off 8,000 to 10,000 employees back in early 2002. Don't know if that ever came about, but I think IBM sales for the current quarter was also down.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 10:33 pm
IBM's layoffs were neither as large nor as longlasting as some had anticipated. While IBM's sales were off-pace compared to Q1 '03, that period showed the strongest performance in 12 succeeding quarters. Revenue Q3 was up 9% quarter-to-quarter, on increased sales. Since early October of last year, IBM's share price has risen nearly 70%, on historically strong volume, while profits over the same period have increased by over a third. Intel's performance has been even more encouraging, clearly evidencing a significant rebound in the tech sector, and long-depressed Motorola has enjoyed three remarkably good quarters back-to-back, with a share price which has doubled, again on unprecedented volume, over the past 12 months. Looking to heavy manufacturing, GM posted a Q3 '03 profit of $425 Million vs a Q3 '02 loss of $804 Million, and has seen a 90-day share-price increase of nearly 50%, while Boeing, with a 12 month share price increase of over 40%, will show its first full year profit since 1999. While counter examples exist, and will persist, to deny substantial and accellerating recovery is reminiscent of denials a few months bavk of the presence of US tanks in Baghdad.
A side effect of unexpectedly strong US corporate earnings will be a real decrease in the actual federal budget deficit compared to earlier projections, as higher profits translate directly into increased taxes paid. Watch for news of this in the very near future.

It ain't all better, but its gettin' better, much to the dismay of some.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 11:22 pm
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Armonk.
N.Y.-based IBM said Wednesday that net income rose to $1.8 billion, or $1.02 a share, in the quarter, from $1.7 billion, or 99 cents a share, a year earlier.

Sales rose 9 percent to $21.5 billion, below Wall Street's consensus estimate of $21.9 billion, according to First Call. Excluding currency factors, IBM said sales growth would have been just 4 percent in the quarter. IBM, like other multinationals, has benefited from a weaker dollar.

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Like Intel, which reported earnings on Tuesday, IBM showed stronger revenue growth outside of the U.S., where companies continue to show few signs of increasing their spending on technology. Sales in IBM's Americas division increased just 4 percent from last year compared with an 11 percent gain in Asia-Pacific and a 19 percent increase in European sales.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 11:50 pm
Yup, Walter, that's right; there's plenty of room for improvement. What is pertinent is that the Tech Sector is finally showing that it too has turned the corner and is headed up as well. Even your own bourse, the DAX, is showing signs of improved health.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 15 Oct, 2003 11:56 pm
That's right, timber.

But it's also correct that IBM closed their last plant in Germany this year: another 1,000 jobless (additionally to the some more thousands, who lost their jobs at IBM previously).

I admit that they created some new jobs in Slovakia and Czechia.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2003 08:06 am
It is very clear to me that some people in this discussion are desperate to deny any suggestion of improvement in the economy.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2003 08:41 am
Scrat wrote:
It is very clear to me that some people in this discussion are desperate to deny any suggestion of improvement in the economy.


Yeah, well, here's another prop knocked out from under those trying to support the notion that Bush the Younger's fiscal policies have been ineffective ... this time Reuters swings the HAMMER:

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CEOs See 4th-Quarter Sales, Growth Pickup
Thu October 16, 2003 09:52 AM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. corporate leaders expect economic growth to pick up modestly in the final quarter of 2003, and a majority expect sales to grow, according to a survey of chief executive officers released on Thursday.
CEOs surveyed by the Business Roundtable earlier this month expected gross domestic product growth of around 3.3 percent for the fourth quarter, above the 2.3 percent growth they forecast in a July survey about the following six months.

Seventy-one percent of executives expect sales to climb through the end of this year, although only 23 percent expect capital spending to climb.

"This survey shows that CEOs are more optimistic about economic prospects through the end of the year, amid signs that the U.S. economy continues to regain its footing," Philip Condit, chairman of the Roundtable and chairman and CEO of Boeing Co., said in a news release.

The corporate executives in the survey report a steady firming in business conditions since the start of the Iraq war in the spring of 2003, Condit said.

The U.S. economy has been growing at a modest pace since late 2001, with GDP rising 2.4 percent in 2002.

Regarding jobs, while only 12 percent of CEOs see a rise in employment in the final three months of this year, the percentage of executives who expect to cut their payrolls in the months ahead has continued to decline, the survey showed. Fifty-two percent expect no change in employment in the fourth quarter.


I imagine some are perplexed that September US tax revenue was $Billions ahead of projection as well ... a troubling sign for deficit expansion. It looks to me as though a key Democrat Issue is on its way to becoming as substantial as soggy tissue paper. I anticipate by this time next year, every float in their parade will be looking bedraggled.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2003 08:48 am
Scrat and Timber: The people opposing your positions in this discussion are likely those whose retirement funds or jobs have been more deeply and negatively affected than yours. When it comes to money, most of us speak from personal reality rather than economic theory -- or from the statements made by corporations and the politicians who support them.
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