CalamityJane wrote:Hah! You should hear me roll my "rrrrrr" - simply perfect !!
Well, but mine can be quite good as well - umless I speak 'Kohlenpott', of course (they don't speak any "r" there
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Amigo wrote:Are you German?
She's Bavarian. And her "r" really is ... well, rolling ... :wink:
Amigo wrote:Are you German?
Yes, first Bavarian, then German!
The sound of a German rolling rrr's is the sound of distant panzers rumbling.
No more like beer gargling.
Exactly! All they do is mumble into their beard.
Find somebody that can't roll their R's I bet I'm right.
Yeah, gustav knows his relatives well.
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
The sound of a German rolling rrr's is the sound of distant panzers rumbling.
Haaaaaaa Laughing Thats a good one
A stupid one, you mean.
The word 'claro' isn't pronounced with a rolled r (alveolar trill). It's pronounced with an alveolar tap.
Quote:The word 'claro' isn't pronounced with a rolled r (alveolar trill). It's pronounced with an alveolar tap.
Where? Says who? In parts of Castilla y León where I lived for 2 years, many people, especially older ones, very audibly trill the single r. I agree that rr has a much longer trill than r. I guess it's a regional thing. Listen to one of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero's speeches. (He comes from Valladolid).
Says someone who knows Spanish.
If you hear any Spanish speaker doing a trill in words like claro, María, pera o bravo, he or she is imitating a German accent.
If we did the trill we'd confuse pero with perro, caro with carro, etc.
Yet, the pronunciation of any R in Spanish is "trilly" compared to an English "r", since the tongue is put near the upper teeth. If a Spanish speaker wants to imitate the accent of the English speakers, he or she will dipthonguise vowel and, more importantly, will try to pronounce the R with the tongue near the throat.
Now, going back to the start of the thread, there's a not so subtle difference in pronunciation of the R between Italian and Spanish. The Spanish R is pronounced with the tongue on the upper palate near the, the Italian R is pronounced slightly more into the inside. Same with the D.
Most Italians pronounce a single R even when at the beginning of the word: Roma, not Rroma. Spanish speakers say Rrodríguez.
A good exercise for trilling the Rs is a children's saying:
Erre con erre cigarro, erre con erre barril, rápido corren los carros cargados de azúcar del ferrocarril.
