Our history is so dark, why?

I am not so sure that the US's WW II development of atomic weapons is a very good example of general populace complicity. In fact the Manhattan Project was set up so that very few knew the whole and true nature of the effort.

Modern technologies potentially allow the very few to impose on the very many without general populace complicity, so I must disagree that "great evil deeds are only accomplished through the complicity of many people".

I will go further by claiming that "great evil" can be accomplished through indifference, lack of foresight, ignorance, superstition, good intentions etc.

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

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U.S. Air Force General Jack Ripper goes completely and utterly mad, and sends his bomber wing to destroy the U.S.S.R. He suspects that the communists are conspiring to pollute the "precious bodily fluids" of the American people. The U.S. president meets with his advisers, where the Soviet ambassador tells him that if the U.S.S.R. is hit by nuclear weapons, it will trigger a "Doomsday Machine" which will destroy all plant and animal life on Earth. Peter Sellers portrays the three men who might avert this tragedy: British Group Captain Lionel Mandrake, the only person with access to the demented Gen. Ripper; U.S. President Merkin Muffley, whose best attempts to divert disaster depend on placating a drunken Soviet Premier and the former Nazi genius Dr. Strangelove, who concludes that "such a device would not be a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious". Will the bombers be stopped in time, or will General Jack Ripper succeed in destroying the world ? Written by Colin Tinto {[email protected]}

U.S. President Merkin Muffley (Peter Sellers) is on the hot line to Moscow with some rather embarrassing news for the Soviet premier: "Hello, Dimitri....I'm fine....Now then, you know how we've always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb....The bomb, Dimitri. The hydrogen bomb....Well, now, what happened is that, uh, one of our base commanders...he went a little funny in the head....and he went and did a silly thing....He ordered his planes to attack your country." A comedy about an accidental nuclear attack? One that ends with total annihilation, thermonuclear apocalypse? Preposterous! Stanley Kubrick thought otherwise. In the end his thinking prevailed. The mad saga revolves around a psychotic Strategic Air Command officer, Gen. Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden), who lets loose his B-52 bomber squadron on the Soviet Union. Ripper takes this unilateral action because of his paranoid belief that Communists are sapping and contaminating "all our precious bodily fluids" as part of their plan to take over the world." Unbeknownst to Ripper, his attack will trigger the Russian's ultimate weapon, the Doomsday Machine, a diabolical retaliatory device set to blow up the planet.

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In my research I did the main theme of racism and the Ku Klux Klan came up abit in my books and research.
This opened my eyes, I saw what my, our, past contained and I was disgusted,
as a human being I was ashamed at what we could do to one another,

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I cant see how we could try to kill a whole race or
exclude a race becuase of there skin colour.

Thay were considered inferior and repugnant.
Did your research fail to reveal that ?

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why did we do this,
why did people like the KKK

The KKK were veterans of the defeated Southern army.
Did your research reveal that ?
Thay were not voluntarily willing to end slavery;
that was forced upon them.
Thay preserved the status quo ante,
as well as thay were ABLE to do so.
As Chumly inquired,
" why do expect a higher level of civility? "

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or Hilter single out races and kill, toture and humiliate them,

Hitler was ready to die from syphilis, when he committed suicide,
for other reasons. It has been said that he contracted it
from a Jewish lady of the evening.
He may have been resentful.
( Note, incidentally, that Hitler was probably 25% Jewish.
His father 's father was Jewish. )

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why did we allow this to happen for so long,
couldn't something have been done to stop or prevent this

Somehow, it strikes me as unlikely that your country
was going to war against the 3rd Reich
because your ancestors did not believe
that Jews were getting satisfactory treatment
before the time of the concentration camps.
Those camps were DISCOVERED, to our shock,
by US and English armies, at the end of the war.
( Thay did not even intervene to save the disarmed ARMENIANS
from genocide by the Turks, during the First World War 1915 to 1917 which was a lot more public. )

In America, there was a lot of isolationism; mind our own business.
We did not know of the concerntration camps until 1945; thay were SECRET.
We had no reason to invade Germany.
Invasions can be EXPENSIVE in lives and cash;
very inconvenient.

Hitler declared war on America, on Dec. 11th, 1941,
3 days after we declared war on Japan.
Hence, he made up our minds for us,
so far as war against Germany was concerned.
It was a defensive war; we did not go there to rescue the Jews.
That was incidental.

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I m young, 17, and you may see me a ignorant
but please can anyone give me answers to what would drive people to do this

We were ALL young n ignorant, at some time.

David

dadpad wrote:

Dartboy wrote:

I think you mistook me or I didnt write this out right but what I mean is what would drive people to do what they did

Two things,

Suvival of the fittest and fear of the unknown.

Fear of the unknown I see but not Suvival of the fittest ,
are you saying that the white people and Hilter were scared?

Dartboy wrote:

dadpad wrote:

Dartboy wrote:

I think you mistook me or I didnt write this out right but what I mean is what would drive people to do what they did

Two things,

Suvival of the fittest and fear of the unknown.

Fear of the unknown I see but not Suvival of the fittest ,
are you saying that the white people and Hilter were scared?

I think thay felt maybe something like
the folks at a formal wedding, if a muddy dog breaks in

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Dartboy wrote:

dadpad wrote:

Dartboy wrote:

I think you mistook me or I didnt write this out right but what I mean is what would drive people to do what they did

Two things,

Suvival of the fittest and fear of the unknown.

Fear of the unknown I see but not Suvival of the fittest ,
are you saying that the white people and Hilter were scared?

I think thay felt maybe something like
the folks at a formal wedding, if a muddy dog breaks in

The jews and others targeted by Nazis
were the "muddy dogs" at the Nazis wedding?
You have a unique way with words.

The mature, actualized person is sure of himself, and does not need to put down others. If one is unsure of one's self, he feigns mastery by controlling others.

One possibility that has been assiduously avoided here (probably a reflection of the secular majority on A2K - not that there's anything wrong with that) is that there might exist in the world real evil...

I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

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Phoenix32890 wrote:

The mature, actualized person is sure of himself, and does not need to put down others. If one is unsure of one's self, he feigns mastery by controlling others.

i like that. my pet theory is a lot more complicated, but this is great.

If a man is sure of himself,
but sees a neighbor being abused,
is the man in error to " put down " the abuser ?

If a parent is sure of himself,
is he rong to " put down " one of his children for abusing another one ?

snood wrote:

One possibility that has been assiduously avoided here (probably a reflection of the secular majority on A2K - not that there's anything wrong with that) is that there might exist in the world real evil...

that's exactly why my pet theory is more complicated. despite any majority, you should bring this up in the s&r forum.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

part of the reason why i avoid capital letters altogether.
they're nothing but trouble. of course, if it's automatic, like the "omsigdavid" which was copied in
with capitals by a script, i usually don't bother with it.

as for your tendency to create a phonetic version of english, i can sort of relate,
but i think your spelling in particular misses a number of sounds-
that would go against the idea of phonetics. "shud" for instance...
the l is there, the tongue may actually move to create it,
but if you do hear it then it is very subtle.
since there isn't a letter for a subtle "l,"
you might as well include it: "shuld" but then maybe "shoold" would be closer. with "go" and "to" you have new problems.

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I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

I should think THAT would be OBVIOUS to someone with such a laser-sharp intellect as yours... I like the Nazis and hate the jews, of course.

snood wrote:

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I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

I should think THAT would be OBVIOUS to someone with such a laser-sharp intellect as yours... I like the Nazis and hate the jews, of course.

I'm a Jew from an ethnic origin perceptive, both mother and father, I maintain no religious beliefs nor specified ethnic-cultural-Jewish affinities, I am saddened you like Nazis and hate Jews. Now where did my sense of humor go?

Chumly wrote:

snood wrote:

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I wonder Y u capitalize Nazis, but not Jews.

I should think THAT would be OBVIOUS to someone with such a laser-sharp intellect as yours... I like the Nazis and hate the jews, of course.

I'm a Jew from an ethnic origin perceptive, both mother and father, I maintain no religious beliefs nor specified ethnic-cultural-Jewish affinities, I am saddened you like Nazis and hate Jews. Now where did my sense of humor go?

Point of information, if I may:
I seem to remember seeing writing
( maybe Jewish newspapers ) in English,
of Jews writing on matters of Jewish concern
to other Jews, in which they have failed to capitalize the word "Jew".
That struck me as being somewhat odd.
I 'd not think of failing to capitalize " American "

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David

I m young, 17, and you may see me a ignorant but please can anyone give me answers to what would drive people to do this, to become an animal and cause such pain and hate in our world and why is it still happening today.

In my research I did the main theme of racism