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The US, The UN and Iraq

 
 
trespassers will
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:45 am
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Hmmmm.... I guess it's okay for the mall to sell the t-shirt, and displayed in the store, but you better not wear it. Makes alot of sense.

The Victoria's Secret at the mall here sells a lot of clothing, and I'll bet 95% of it is stuff that you couldn't wear (in view, uncovered) in the mall without being asked to leave.

See there? Makes perfect sense when you take time to think about it.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:46 am
perception, no one is depressed here. It is called "gallows humor."
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:51 am
Kara wrote:

I disagree with you that the freedoms that we enjoy from our constitution are based only on a piece of paper and are meaningless unless backed up by force, unless you mean that we need the police to protect sign-wavers from other sign-wavers. Yes, we need a police force to maintain the public order. But you seemed to be saying, in effect, that a democratic system of government could not be maintained in a country without a standing army. [/quote]

Kara, I know from our PMs you are a good person, highly educated, and well meaning but I find your naivete startling. Why do you think our constitution has provisions for a "standing army"? Perhaps your reply will yield some clue to our basic differences of opinion.
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:51 am
Kara wrote:
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It should be borne in mind that it is the soldier and his rifle, not the protestor and his placard, that ensures the right of the protestor to carry his placard. It always has been and will be thus.


timber, it is our country's democratic form of government and our Constitution that guarantees us the right to protest.

1) This country is not a democracy.

2) Our system of government exists only so long as we defend it.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:58 am
War Mongers on the prowl again - up to old Abuzz games <sigh>
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:00 am
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But you seemed to be saying, in effect, that a democratic system of government could not be maintained in a country without a standing army.


I'll answer your question with a question. Do you believe in the above statement? And I should change the description of our form of government to a republic, as tres reminds me.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:01 am
Delete
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:03 am
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2) Our system of government exists only so long as we defend it.


Tres, what do you mean by this? Defend it how?
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:09 am
Kara wrote:
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2) Our system of government exists only so long as we defend it.


Tres, what do you mean by this? Defend it how?

Militarily, of course. This has always been true of every nation on Earth. History is rife with examples of vibrant civilizations which no longer exist because they were unable or unwilling to defend their way of life against those who either wanted what they had or simply wanted to deny them what they had.
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:09 am
Kara

Very clever answering a question with a question-----

I believe that this country would cease to exist almost overnight if we did not have our powerful military----and ----the will to use it.

Clinton for one did not have the "will" to use it when UBL attacked the first time.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:11 am
Kara,

Far too depressed today to start any hostile discussions, besides there seems to be one starting up all by itself Very Happy nil carborundum
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:27 am
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from

http://www.charliedaniels.com/Forum/

YOU WHO FEEL SO INCLINED TO LEAVE PROFANE MESSAGES OR LENGTHY DIATRIBES ABOUT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN IN THE SOAPBOX CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO. I'LL BE ABLE TO READ AND RESPOND TO THEM. WE ARE GOING TO EDIT THE MESSAGE BOARD SO ANY OFF COLOR REMARKS, PERSONAL INSULTS OR RAMBLING CRITIQUES WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED TO ME PERSONALLY AT [email protected].

WE HAVE TRIED VERY HARD TO MAKE THIS A FAMILY TYPE WEBSITE WHERE IMPRESSIONABLE CHILDREN CAN VISIT WITHOUT HAVING TO EXPERIENCE VULGAR LANGUAGE. SO WRITE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ME BUT DON'T TRY TO POST TRASH ON OUR MESSAGE BOARD.

THANKS AND GOD BLESS
CHARLIE DANIELS


Seems poor old Charlie is beginning to regret his attacks on the Holywood glitterati Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:30 am
Abyssus abyssum invocat.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:31 am
"...who will pay for the satisfaction of war?"

That is such a great question, Gelisgesti! I'm going to recommend for a sign at Saturday's White House demonstration.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:32 am
And from "the devil's dictionary":

Quote:
LANGUAGE, n. The music with which we charm the serpents guarding another's treasure.
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HofT
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:42 am
Devil's dictionary?!

Walter - trust there's no connection to your previous quote (from Psalms, if memory serves) describing Jonas and the whale:

"Deep calleth unto deep
At the noise of thy waterspouts
All thy waves and thy billows
Are gone over me"

This may be turning into a crusade after all, but I didn't start it <G>
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:57 am
While things were getting a bit edgey on this thread a little while
ago, I would have to say the folks involved recovered quickly.

Good job.



timber :wink:
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 12:00 pm
"It should be borne in mind that it is the soldier and his rifle, not the protestor and his placard, that ensures the right of the protestor to carry his placard. It always has been and will be thus." (Timber)

It should be borne in mind that it is those unpaid and loyal protesters who, by insisting on upholding the Constitution, treaties and law, are making sure that we will continue to enjoy our life, security, prosperity, and a well-funded defensive military capability. In fact, we no longer depend on "soldiers" and "rifles" -- once volunteers -- but rather on leaders who can order a "shock and awe" assault with "weapons of mass destruction," causing relatively little loss of life to ourselves and great destruction to the victims. When those leaders have shown themselves to be inexperienced or dishonest, doing everything they can to circumvent and change the law, threatening other nations without due cause and substituting preemptive strike for negotiation, we have to try to stop them. That is the honorable citizen's responsibility.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 12:00 pm
yeah i left the room Wink
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 12:05 pm
Dyslexia and Kara, Your posts have been wonderful. You are ahead in the argument, of course, but you do it so nicely!
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