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The US, The UN and Iraq

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trespassers will
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:34 pm
Main Entry: rhet·o·ric Pronunciation: 're-t&-rik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English rethorik, from Middle French rethorique, from Latin rhetorica, from Greek rhEtorikE, literally, art of oratory, from feminine of rhEtorikos of an orator, from rhEtOr orator, rhetorician, from eirein to say, speak -- more at WORD
Date: 14th century
1 : the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a : the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b : the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2 a : skill in the effective use of speech b : a type or mode of language or speech; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
3 : verbal communication : DISCOURSE
Merriam-Webster OnLine
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:38 pm
so perhaps for clarity of understanding one could define when using words with multiple meanings which can to lead to a lack of meaning.
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 12:56 pm
That isn't necessary if people don't pretend ignorance when they know full well what is meant.

(Or are you going to tell us that you've never heard the word "rhetoric" used in this way? Remember that you've taken part in lots of discussions here in A2K where the word has been used many, many times.)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:12 pm
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I have seen nothing to suggest that the US and UK care whether or not the UN is embarrassed in any of this. (And I prefer it that way.)


Its not the UN but the US and in particular the UK who will be embarrassed should they fail to get a second resolution.

Vive Chirac. Vive la France!
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:25 pm
US isn't embarrassed - Bush, et al! God what a bunch of cretins!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:41 pm
Bill

I think you might be right there. George II is not the sort of person who feels embarrassment.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:43 pm
Well, Turkey may be off the menu. Reports now surfacing indicate a sudden increase in the activity of the troop flotilla intended for Turkish deployment. The vessels appear to be making ready to go to sea, as opposed to making ready to discharge their cargo and debark their troops.



timber
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:43 pm
I think he is autistic.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:47 pm
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Imagine some American viceroy in a postwar Iraq trying to cobble together a government out of warring Shiite and Sunni Muslims, secularists and Islamist theocrats, while holding at bay ambitious Iranians and Turks and damping down the territorial ambitions of independence-minded Kurds. And all this while controlling -- largely for our own use, influence and economic benefit -- Iraq's huge oil resources.Washington Post page A19


Needs (not) a lot of imagination, doesn't it?
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:52 pm
Walter, we may not have much longer - <sigh>
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 02:55 pm
When the US tells the UN inspectors to leave Iraq, that's when it will begin. c.i.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:02 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if the announcement of the capture of bin Laden's no.2 was a tactical diversion to draw attention away from the Turkey debacle.

Its not been a good few days for Bush. First Saddam co operates by destroying missiles, something we have been demanding he does, but when its done Bush dismisses it as a meaningless gesture! (You can't have it both ways).

Then Chirac receives a rapturous welcome in Algeria.
The NSA mislay an embarrassing email blowing the gaff on the threats and bribery to buy the UN vote.
Thanks to the Turk's inability to count, there's going to be no northern front (how long does it take to sail tanks from Turkey to Kuwait?)
The weather window is beginning to close. Bush must be starting to sweat. Good.

Vive Chirac. Vive la France!
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:17 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Quote:

I have seen nothing to suggest that the US and UK care whether or not the UN is embarrassed in any of this. (And I prefer it that way.)

Its not the UN but the US and in particular the UK who will be embarrassed should they fail to get a second resolution.

Why should the US and UK be "embarrassed" if others vote against them? That's just how these bodies work.

If anyone stands to be embarrassed, it is those who stand against a proposed solution, should that solution work. To my knowledge, only the US and UK are proposing a solution to the Iraq problem.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:32 pm
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When the US tells the UN inspectors to leave Iraq, that's when it will begin. c.i.


Bush has already claimed they are less than worthless, he may just leave them in country!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:39 pm
Naw, his religion won't permit him to do that. c.i.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:41 pm
religion? ha, what ever he decides is in the eyes of god, he is the chosen one!
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:42 pm
Just a passing thought; maybe Turkey is getting the idea that with a suitable diversion on the southern flank of Iraq, she may be able to cheaply waltz in and grab the Kurdish portion of Iraq and the odd oil field.

That's a cheap shot considering the ally Turkey has been in the past, but the thought has been crossing my mind lately.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:44 pm
roger, it has been noted somewhere that I have traveled today that US and Turkey forces may meet somewhere in the northern wastelands! What happens then?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:44 pm
BillW, You must learn to read snide remarks from me! Ergo, "Thou shalt not kill." LOL c.i.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 03:46 pm
That ain't a lonesome thought, roger.



timber
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