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The US, The UN and Iraq

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 06:19 pm
This just in about a family member in France who "is having real trouble getting a package from the US. He finally got a note from [the seller] saying the package of clothes couldn't get through customs, possibly due to the political situation between the US and France. Bizarre."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 07:32 pm
Tartar, Small minds will assert small things. c.i.
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 07:43 pm
Tartarin, I have had major trouble getting stuff through customs -- clothes sent through the post from abroad back to the US, old clothes, not new things -- and I think this "trouble" may be same old.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 08:10 pm
Why aren't more people disturbed about how this government is limiting our freedoms? c.i.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 08:29 pm
Just received from a friend.
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Bush Ex Machina
March 2, 2003
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON - George W. Bush has often talked wickedly
about his days as the black sheep of a blue-blooded,
mahogany-paneled family. But the younger rebellion pales
before the adult revolt, now sparking epochal changes.

The president is about to upend the internationalist order
nurtured by his father and grandfather, replacing the Bush
code of noblesse oblige with one of force majeure.

Bush 41, a doting dad, would never disagree with his son in
public, but in a speech at Tufts last week, he defended his
decision to leave Saddam Hussein in power after Desert
Storm.

"If we had tried to go in there and created more
instability in Iraq, I think it would have been very bad
for the neighborhood," he told the crowd of 4,800. (Was he
referring to Baghdad or Kennebunkport?)

He conceded that getting a coalition together is harder
now, because the evidence about Saddam's weapons of mass
destruction is "a little fuzzier" than was his evident
invasion of Kuwait. But 41 still thinks coalitions work:
"The more pressure there is, the more chance this matter
will be resolved in a peaceful manner." (Maybe he should
enter the Democratic primary.)

At the very same moment the father was pushing peace, the
son was treating the war as a fait accompli. At the
American Enterprise Institute, he finally coughed up the
real reason for war: trickle-down democracy.

Unable to handcuff Osama and Saddam, he soft-pedaled his
previous cry for a war of retribution for 9/11. Now he was
being more forthright, calling for a war of re-engineering.


"A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and
inspiring example of freedom for other nations in the
region," he said, adding: "Success in Iraq could also begin
a new stage for Middle Eastern peace, and set in motion
progress towards a truly democratic Palestinian state."

Conservatives began drawing up steroid-fueled plans to
reorder the world a decade ago, imperial blueprints
fantastical enough to make "Star Wars" look achievable.

In 1992, Dick Cheney, the defense secretary for Bush 41,
and his aides, Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby, drafted a
document asserting that America should prepare to cast off
formal alliances and throw its military weight around to
prevent the rise of any "potential future global
competitor" and to preclude the spread of nuclear weapons.

The solipsistic grandiosity of the plan was offputting to
41, who loved nothing better than chatting up the other
members of the global club. To Poppy and Colin Powell, this
looked like voodoo foreign policy, and they splashed cold
water on it.

In 1996, Richard Perle, now a Pentagon adviser, and Douglas
Feith, now a Rumsfeld aide, helped write a report about how
Israel could transcend the problems with the Palestinians
by changing the "balance of power" in the Middle East, and
by replacing Saddam.

The hawks saw their big chance after 9/11, but they feared
that it would be hard to sell a eschatological scheme to
stomp out Islamic terrorism by recreating the Arab world.
So they found Saddam guilty of a crime he could commit
later: helping Osama unleash hell on us.

Mr. Bush is his father's son in his "trust us, we know
best" attitude.

After obscuring the real reasons for war, the Bushies are
now obscuring the Pentagon's assessments of the cost of war
($60 billion to $200 billion?), the size of the occupation
force (100,000 to 400,000?) and the length of time American
troops will stay in Iraq (2 to 10 years?).

A Delphic Mr. Wolfowitz tried to blow off House Democrats
who pressed him on these issues: "We will stay as long as
necessary and leave as soon as possible."

Rahm Emanuel, a congressman from Chicago, chided Mr.
Wolfowitz, saying, "In the very week that we negotiated
with Turkey, the administration also told the governors
there wasn't any more money for education and health care."


The president's humongously expensive tax cuts leave less
for all programs except the military.

Asked if we should give up the tax cut to underwrite the
war, the president demurred, replying, "Americans are
paying the bill."

Nobody knows if the Bush team's hubristic vision for
redrawing the Middle East map will end up tamping down
terrorism or inflaming it.

Either way, deus ex machina doesn't come cheap.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 08:41 pm
It seems this is the link Walter provided earlier. Sorry, Walter, for this repeat. This old goat needs to click on to links more often. ;* c.i.

This one came from a friend in Australia.
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The document was leaked to The Observer newspaper in Britain. Further discussion of the story can be found at the Observer website:
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905936,00.html

Murf

>To: [Recipients withheld]
>From: FRANK KOZA, DEF Chief of Staff (Regional Targets)
>CIV/NSA
>Date: Jan 31 2003 0:16
>Subject: Reflections of Iraq Debate/Votes at UN-RT Actions + Potential for
>Related Contributions
>Importance: HIGH
Top Secret//COMINT//XI

All,

As you've likely heard by now, the Agency is mounting a surge particularly directed at the UN Security Council (UNSC) members (minus US and GBR of course) for insights as to how to membership is reacting to the on-going debate RE: Iraq, plans to vote on any related resolutions, what related policies/ negotiating positions they may be considering, alliances/dependencies, etc - the whole gamut of information that could give US policymakers an edge in obtaining results favorable to US goals or to head off surprises. In RT, that means a QRC surge effort to revive/ create efforts against UNSC members Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Bulgaria and Guinea, as well as extra focus on Pakistan UN matters.

We've also asked ALL RT topi's to emphasize and make sure they pay attention to existing non-UNSC member UN-related and domestic comms for anything useful related to the UNSC deliberations/ debates/ votes. We have a lot of special UN-related diplomatic coverage (various UN delegations) from countries not sitting on the UNSC right now that could contribute related perspectives/ insights/ whatever. We recognize that we can't afford to ignore this possible source.

We'd appreciate your support in getting the word to your analysts who might have similar, more in-direct access to valuable information from accesses in your product lines. I suspect that you'll be hearing more along these lines in formal channels - especially as this effort will probably peak (at least for this specific focus) in the middle of next week, following the SecState's presentation to the UNSC.

Thanks for your help

* Footnote: This email was originally transcribed with English spellings standardised for a British audience. Following enquiries about this, we have reverted to the original US-spelling as in the document leaked to The Observer.


Southport, Queensland, Australia


Of course, please feel free to pass on my contributions
to your friends, relatives and others.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2003 09:28 pm
cobalt, Did you know that Mohatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr., both followed Thoreau's teachings of non-violence protest? They both succeeded in their quest. c.i.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 01:16 am
From today's 'The Independent':

Quote:
Coca-Cola is moving its headquarters for the Middle East region from Bahrain to Greece as a war in Iraq becomes ever more likely. A spokesman for the company denied the move was for security reasons, and said it was primarily a "business decision".
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 05:30 am
From today's Sun (British Tabloid, but mightly influential - part of the Murdoch stable of newspapers)

By Trevor Kavanagh

One of the first casualties of the conflict apart from Saddam is likely to be French President Jacques The Worm Chirac.

Relations between America and France are icy after Chirac’s attempts to sabotage UN moves to disarm Saddam.

In a blistering phone call last week, President George Bush told the posturing Frenchman: President Chirac, we will not forgive and we will not forget.

The shaming of Chirac would have sweeping global repercussions.

The Franco-German alliance which has dominated the European Union for half a century risks being smashed.

Britain could move into the driving seat in a new alliance with Italy, Spain, Holland and the ten new states due to join next year.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 05:36 am
You have to admire these American geo political schemers. Not only are they firmly establishing American hegemony in the very centre of the Eurasian continent, but by doing so they have split and weakened the EU power block, another potential obstacle for American world dominance. Things are moving fast. Expect a war with China by 2010.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 05:38 am
Thats 2010 GMT tonight
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HofT
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 05:49 am
Steve - there is in fact a plan (prepared by Mr. Perle some years ago) to wipe China off the map so it can't develop into a competitor; if you have info that this plan is going into effect at 2010 GMT (lately known as UTC) please post here.

Am in Tokyo right now, i.e. downwind, and need to know if the emergency level is duct tape, masking tape, or cellotape <G>
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 06:27 am
HofT... Laughing
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 06:28 am
HofT... Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 07:42 am
Helen

Laughing

Threat level is code Duct Tape - Black

We went through Masking Tape some days back and the shops are out of Sellotape. Good luck!

[An image comes to mind of the 3 wise monkeys Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld repectively not hearing seeing or speaking evil with duct tape, masking tape sellotape...]
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 08:01 am
forget the Duct tape and pick up a few bottles of Cold Duck.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 08:14 am
...and do what with them?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 08:29 am
trade them for a few bottles of sour mash whisky?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 08:42 am
dys

well thats ok, so long as its not drinking it
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 3 Mar, 2003 09:05 am
Wow ... this thread grows ... a couple days of inattention to the computer, and I come back to an hour's worth of catch-up reading Laughing

Well, The Turkish Stock Market is crashing as predicted in the event of a US-Negative vote, and there are rumblings of a "reconsideration", though that's complicated by the upcoming Turkish elections, and I would have to think next week would be too late. Washington has not yet slammed the door, but further delay is problematic. A choice will have to be made very shortly. There will be repercussions one way or the other, and there seems to be no upside for Turkey. She's made a choice, and may have cut herself out of the game. Turkish interests in Iraq, particularly concerning The Kurds, and any Turkish role in the reconstruction of Iraq, have been dealt a killing blow if Turkey remains adamant. New avenues leading to improved US/Iran relations may have opened. Interesting times, interesting times.

Without Turkish Bases, Airmobile Operations through the North are still possible (and likely), but the lack of heavy infantry and of armor will hinder plans to rapidly take the Northern Cities. The Turkish vote has complicated, and increased the time required to complete, the US campaign. On the upside for The US, long term weather forecasts indicate tolerable climatic conditions could extend well into April, possibly even early May, but that's iffy at best, and in any event, the hot weather is coming soon, and there really is a finite window of practicality for an attack. There likely also will be intense "Third Party" fighting between Turkish troops already in Northern Iraq and Iraqi Kurds, with the Iranians thrown in as a wild card. The prospect of US action supporting Iraqi Kurds against Turkish units is absolutely real. The North has potential to become very interesting.

On a side note, the events in Pakistan over the weekend are a major development in the campaign against Al Queda, and could well generate significant further arrests in the near future. Some computers, discs, and paper documentation were siezed, as well as several cell phones ... lots of data to mine, a real "Win" for Intelligence.

There are some troubling elements to the capture of Shaik Mohammed; he was in the house of a Pakistani government fuctionary (though the minor fuctionary's involvement seems to extend no further than offering dwelling space to his son, a Islamist religious figure, who in turn provided sanctuary to Shaik Mohammed), and the house was more or less across the street from Army Headquarters. Also bothersome is the impression the bulk of the apprehensions of major Taliban and Al-Queda figures occur in Pakistan. That in itself has troubling implication. I would like to know more about the still somewhat mysterious third individual arrested.

There are renewed Arab calls for Saddam to step down, though no official unified statement. Kim Jong-Il has announced willingness to provide sanctuary, though Iraq's official position remains that exile is out of the wuestion. All that is certain is that major developments will transpire over the next few days, likely none of which reduce tensions a bit.


Some quarter of a million armed "Inspectors" are about to vigorously pursue and swiftly conclude the matter of ensuring Iraqi disarmamment.

BTW, I think I'd go for the sour mash myself. Twisted Evil



timber
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