0
   

The US, The UN and Iraq

 
 
perception
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 08:52 pm
C.I. Wrote

"I also think Saddam is misinterpreting the peace demonstrations to mean they support him and Iraq, but that's not true by any meaning of the word. Most people just do not want to see innocent Iraqi's killed for a war to dethrone Saddam, and really want this tyrant to disappear from this world. c.i."

C.I. I can't believe you wrote that----I'll be you got that from Susan Sarrandan
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:00 pm
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=656019

Quote:
Anti-Iraq Force Ready; New UN Resolution Possible

Thursday, February 20, 2003 9:32 p.m. ET

By Patricia Wilson

KENNESAW, Ga. (Reuters) - The United States declared on Thursday it had massed a big enough force in the Gulf to attack Iraq at any time and senior U.S. officials said Washington would seek U.N. approval next week for a possible war.

Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, whose country is one of five veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council, said U.N. arms inspectors in Iraq were coming under pressure to produce reports which would back the case for war and urged them to remain objective in carrying out their task.

Turkish Prime Minister Abdullah Gul, whose help the United States is seeking in obtaining a springboard for any military thrust into neighboring northern Iraq, said he would make a statement on Friday about the issue.

An administration official traveling with President Bush on a visit to Georgia said Washington would present a new resolution on Iraq -- which the U.N. has ordered to scrap any weapons of mass destruction in its arsenal -- to the Security Council next week.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said the wording of the resolution was still under review but it would make clear Iraq had not fulfilled Resolution 1441 passed in November.


Well, it looks like Early-to-Mid-March is it, with or without Turkey, IF it can be held off that long. The Russians have apparently done what they could to cloud The Inspectors, possibly inadvertantly setting in motion the wheels to recall them. The Resolution likely will be brief and fact based, listing previous ignored demands for immediate compliance since the original ceasefire. It probably will fail, and The US will use that to its advantage, claiming the opponents are in denial of "The Facts" and shirking their responsibility to act as required by existing laws and resolutions.

I would not be surprised by violence at this weekend's Anti-War Demonstrations. I fully expect to see violence at anti-war demonstrations by the end of the month.


timber
0 Replies
 
Kara
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:06 pm
Whew, this thread is moving at lightspeed. I've been away for three hours and now I'm having to read for half an hour. What if we were all in a room together. Hmmm. Maybe this is better....
0 Replies
 
Kara
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:09 pm
Quote:
.....The majority of countries said the inspection route was producing results, even as they faulted Iraq for not fully cooperating with the inspectors.


Ul, these are good quotes. Thank you. I am reading so much today about the war, pro and con and in-between, that my mind is spinning.
0 Replies
 
sumac
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:37 pm
Yes, my mind is spinning as well. So much to try to absorb.

I also think that Turkey will accept the reality of the best offer scenario tomorrow, and that violence could well begin at some odd moment, for some odd reason. Nothing is really rational at this point in time.

Interesting article in this weeks NYTimes' Circuits newsletter highlighting the anticipated use of energy-directed weaponry to disrupt computer and other machines. Will go retrieve the URL for those interested. It is a long article, but well worth the read.
0 Replies
 
sumac
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:41 pm
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/20/technology/circuits/20warr.html?ex=1046765270&ei=1&en=fd0660ddcccf5d73

There's the link. A little on the technical side, but as I said, worth the read. We are really vulnerable in this area.
0 Replies
 
Kara
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 09:48 pm
Sumac, I heard it tonight on NPR. Difficult to get one's mind around.

The situation with US v Turkey is fascinating. A face-off.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:02 pm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2774951.stm

Quote:
Tuesday, 18 February, 2003, 10:17 GMT
Polio campaign launched in Iraq

By David Loyn
BBC correspondent


The UN children's agency Unicef is to vaccinate four million Iraqi children against polio ...
... Despite the imminent threat of war, Unicef is going ahead with a vaccination programme at the end of next week.


Speaking of cynicism .... this is deplorable, even for The UN. Still, its clever; making the Iraqi children pawns of The Peace Movement.



timber
0 Replies
 
sumac
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:03 pm
Don't think it is fascinating. They have always been a solid ally - just posturing for political reasons to their populace, and to extract the highest amount of money. Would be very surprised if didn't take the 25-26 billion. They need it.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:10 pm
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1045748395771
Quote:
Turks say US troop agreement unlikely before Tuesday


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Associated Press Feb. 21, 2003

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ANKARA - Turkey doesn't expect a crucial vote on whether to allow in US combat soldiers for an Iraq war before next week, Foreign Minister Yasar Yakis said Thursday, as US and Turkish negotiators struggled to close a $4 billion gap between Turkey's demand for financial aid and a US offer.

In a sign that a breakthrough might be possible, US Secretary of State Colin Powell said in Washington that "there may be some creative things we can do" to gain acceptance of a proposed aid package.

Turkish Economy Minister Ali Babacan said the dispute could be resolved "within days."
"We're somewhere close to an end in the negotiations," Yakis said.
Turkey has demanded $10b. in aid, while the US is proposing some $6b.

Negotiators are now discussing the possibility that some of the US money could be converted into much larger loans, a Western diplomat said. Under the formula being discussed, each billion in grants that is converted would become $6b. to $10b. in loans, depending on the length of the loan and the amount of interest paid, the diplomat said.

But it is not clear whether Washington will accept more delays.
Powell said he expected an answer from Turkey by the end of Thursday. US officials say a reply is urgently needed and that delays could hamper war plans.

Asked when Turkey would send its reply, Yakis said: "There is no question of an answer going today," the Anatolia news agency reported. "It is difficult for the authorization to come to parliament this week."

But he left open the possibility that the government could decide in principle earlier and leave the final authorization for next week.
Prime Minister Abdullah Gul told reporters that a statement would be made Friday about the basing of US troops. He did not elaborate.


I seriously doubt The US will wait as late as Tuesday for Turkey's answer; "Plan B" lkely will be triggered by then.


timber
0 Replies
 
Tartarin
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:16 pm
Hmm. The horror of the Kurds being a negotiating point with Turkey.
0 Replies
 
Tartarin
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:37 pm
2/21 NY Times...

0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 10:46 pm
I think there's another problem with this war with Iraq. It's been said that over fifty percent of Iraqi's are under the age of 15. This means that any collateral damage will more than likely be children. Has our government considered this? c.i.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:02 pm
With menu "B" you get chicken soup.
0 Replies
 
timberlandko
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:11 pm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1276&e=1&cid=540&u=/ap/20030221/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq
Quote:
Middle East - AP

U.N. Says Iraq Not Fully Cooperative
2 hours, 38 minutes ago

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - The United Nations (news - web sites) joined the United States and Britain on Thursday in saying that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is still not cooperating fully with U.N. inspectors despite Iraq's go-ahead for surveillance flights and hand-over of new lists of scientists.


U.N., U.S., and British officials said Iraq still has not provided evidence to answer outstanding questions about its nuclear, chemical, biological and long-range missile programs.


"Clearly Iraq needs to do more by way of cooperating, particularly on unresolved disarmament issues, which are clearly issues of substance," said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix.



I would say Saddam's Iraq has around two weeks to "Do More".



timber
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:24 pm
timber, I don't think this is "new" news. Everybody, but everybody, knows Iraq has not cooperated. This is just a rehash of old news. c.i.
0 Replies
 
roger
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:26 pm
Turkey has been one of our most solid allies, sumac, and surely the least appreciated. Yet, it is a different government that we are now dealing with. I really don't know if their current tact is going to be representative of the current government, or if it is simply a realization that America sometimes does the least for those that support us the most. I am sad to see the relationship deteriorate as far as it has.
0 Replies
 
trespassers will
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:30 pm
Quote:
Anthrax, Small Pox and Ebola as compared to a two-by-four. Ah well, I'm in the wrong place for any sensibilities.

I assume that means you can think of no valid, non-military applications for samples of these bacteria/viri.

You see, an analogy works like this... you pick something that is not the same but offer it as an example because in a specific way it is sort of the same. A 2X4 can be used to build something or to bludgeon someone; a sample of a biological agent can be used to create better medicines to cure the disease or it can be used to find ways to cause the disease in others.

See how those are similar--each has a positive or a negative use, and once I give either to you, you may choose to do the good thing or the bad thing, which choice is beyond my control.

I hope this clears up your confusion as to how analogies work. :wink:
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2003 11:45 pm
For all this hot air.....

http://65.54.244.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=e67d8ca2346d36e42fbf5de218b30a07&lat=1045806139&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etoilet%2dhumor%2enet%2fcartoon%2ehtml
0 Replies
 
trespassers will
 
  1  
Reply Fri 21 Feb, 2003 12:55 am
Quote:
I think there's another problem with this war with Iraq. It's been said that over fifty percent of Iraqi's are under the age of 15. This means that any collateral damage will more than likely be children. Has our government considered this?

This does not appear to be true.

Quote:
IRAQ/Age structure:
0-14 years: 41.1% (male 5,003,755; female 4,849,238)
15-64 years: 55.9% (male 6,794,265; female 6,624,662)
65 years and over: 3% (male 341,520; female 388,376) (2002 est.)
CIA World Factbook 2002
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.05 seconds on 07/10/2025 at 05:45:56