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Dawkins on the power of the Jews

October 05, 2007

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I have just come across the most extraordinary statement by Richard Dawkins. It is right there on the Guardian website without a sentence even questioning it. Here it is:

"When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told - religious Jews anyway - than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolise American foreign policy as far as many people can see. So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place."

So Dawkins, a liberal hero, believes, er, that Jews control world power. And, judging from the Guardian, it is now a part of mainstream debate to say so. Perhaps you think I am over-reacting, but I am a little bit frightened.

Chris Dillow manages some elegant reflections on social proof.

All I can manage is Oh My God...

Timesonline

Wow! This ought to start a good debate. Smile

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I doubt it. Dawkins could be throwing gold coins from the balcony at his house, and farting The Ode to Joy from his ass in five part harmony, and he'd mean nothing to me.

I've contacted my friends in the Inter-Galactic Jewish Conspiracy, and they're gonna hunt ya down and lean on ya.

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Setanta wrote:

...Dawkins could be throwing gold coins from the balcony at his house, and farting The Ode to Joy from his ass in five part harmony, and he'd mean nothing to me...

That is correct. Nobody cares what you think. You're not important to him either.

Thank you for telling us. Smile

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Yep . . . just as insignificant as you, Bubba . . . a sparrow fart in a gale . . .

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Look. I'm not even against your position. But the fact that you post thirty f*cking different threads a day on it is ridiculous. This could have easily gone into one of your other threads.

When people who are ostensibly not against you start pointing this out, maybe it's time to back the rhetoric down a little, mkay?

Cycloptichorn

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What is significant, Cyclo, is Zippy's pathology. He can't just discuss a pro-Isreali lobby, or pro-Isreali influences in government, or the pro-Isreali policies of the government, while condemning Israeli government policy.

He is obsessed, he has to make claims about Jews, he has to make sweeping condemnations of Jews. He's a sad case, really--he pollutes any influence he might have against the idiotic policies of this administration by his wild-eyed conspiracy claims and his anti-Jewish rhetoric.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Look. I'm not even against your position. But the fact that you post thirty f*cking different threads a day on it is ridiculous. This could have easily gone into one of your other threads.

When people who are ostensibly not against you start pointing this out, maybe it's time to back the rhetoric down a little, mkay?

Cycloptichorn

I'd agree with you, sir, if you could provide proof of "thirty threads a day" (more like 4-5) Laughing

Just a little exaggeration, don't you think? :wink:

I will try to post all related links in a single post, next time. Sorry, sir!

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Zippo wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Look. I'm not even against your position. But the fact that you post thirty f*cking different threads a day on it is ridiculous. This could have easily gone into one of your other threads.

When people who are ostensibly not against you start pointing this out, maybe it's time to back the rhetoric down a little, mkay?

Cycloptichorn

I'd agree with you, sir, if you could provide proof of "thirty threads a day" (more like 4-5)

Just a little exaggeration, don't you think? :wink:

I will try to post all related links in a single post, next time. Sorry, sir!

Yes, I was exaggerating, sorry.

Cycloptichorn

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Thanks, Set, you saved me the trouble of writing the same thing.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Zippo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Look. I'm not even against your position. But the fact that you post thirty f*cking different threads a day on it is ridiculous. This could have easily gone into one of your other threads.

When people who are ostensibly not against you start pointing this out, maybe it's time to back the rhetoric down a little, mkay?

Cycloptichorn

I'd agree with you, sir, if you could provide proof of "thirty threads a day" (more like 4-5)

Just a little exaggeration, don't you think? :wink:

I will try to post all related links in a single post, next time. Sorry, sir!

Yes, I was exaggerating, sorry.

Cycloptichorn

No worries!. Once we find a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, preferably a two-state solution, you won't catch me on any forums posting any threads at all. No more zippo!

In fact, i am thinking of selling my PC. Smile

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the thing is, you'd probably reach more people posting on the (rather emotionally-steeped) subject once a day, than your 4-5.

i'm assuming the matter is important to you. since it involves oppression and senseless death, it matters to me. but shoving it down everyone's throat doesn't get people to pay attention for more than the time it takes them to switch gears and ignore it. that kind of approach only works for converting people to christianity.

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Setanta wrote:

What is significant, Cyclo, is Zippy's pathology. He can't just discuss a pro-Isreali lobby, or pro-Isreali influences in government, or the pro-Isreali policies of the government, while condemning Israeli government policy.

He is obsessed, he has to make claims about Jews, he has to make sweeping condemnations of Jews. He's a sad case, really--he pollutes any influence he might have against the idiotic policies of this administration by his wild-eyed conspiracy claims and his anti-Jewish rhetoric.

How does that stop you from discussing/criticizing Israel's policies on another thread, posted by another person. How does my thread[s] effect this whole forum?, or effect anything?

Are you making excuses ?

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Zippo,

What would you do without those Jews to talk about ? You really owe them a great deal for organizing your mental life don't you think?

Leaving infantile conspiracy theories aside, Jews seem to have the genetics which favours intellectual development. This is startlingly apparent in the Nobel Prize statistics.

From Google

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There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 178 Nobel Prizes.

The Muslims number 1.4 Billion ... or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates. They have 9 !

Jews constitute 2% of the US population but 37% of US Nobel recipients. Perhaps Dawkins should wear his " geneticist's hat" rather than his "politician's hat" when thinking about the influence of this group.

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fresco wrote:

Zippo,

What would you do without those Jews to talk about ? You really owe them a great deal for organizing your mental life don't you think?

Leaving infantile conspiracy theories aside, Jews seem to have the genetics which favours intellectual development. This is startlingly apparent in the Nobel Prize statistics.

From Google

Quote:
There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 178 Nobel Prizes.

The Muslims number 1.4 Billion ... or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 24,920 Nobel Laureates. They have 9 !

You might want to work a little on statistics, especially under the category 'non-corollary.'

Cycloptichorn

Jews constitute 2% of the US population but 37% of US Nobel recipients. Perhaps Dawkins should wear his " geneticist's hat" rather than his "politician's hat" when looking for the reasons for the influence of this group.

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fresco quoted-

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There are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 178 Nobel Prizes.

Thorstein Veblen explains that in Essays On Our Changing Order.

That's the book that also contains the remarkable essay--The Economic Theory of Women's Dress.

I have warned about Dawkins though on numerous occasions. He's probably been ostracised in academic circles but is addicted to making waves.

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Re: Dawkins on the power of the Jews

Zippo wrote:

I have just come across the most extraordinary statement by Richard Dawkins. It is right there on the Guardian website without a sentence even questioning it. Here it is:

"When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told - religious Jews anyway - than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolise American foreign policy as far as many people can see. So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place."

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote, however it does suggest a certain ignorance of the history of the 20th century.

At the end of that century we came at last to the end of an avowedly atheistic system of authoritarian government which held sway for several generations in the Soviet Empire and for shorter periods in other areas. It brought untold harm and disaster on those it ruled, confirming fully the notion that an authoritarian system that explicitly denies any power higher than itself is capable of anything. In addition it failed utterly as a system for either the perfection of "socialist man" or even the relatively simple task of managing an economy. In view of that rather costly, nearly century-long experiment, I find it remarkable that one who styles himself as an intellectual could offer such a proposition without even some qualification.

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I'm not a fan of an abundance of Israeli policies (no, not jewish policies) and also not a fan of an abundance of policies of their counterparts. I can understand both sides, or all three or four or five + sides getting to where they are.

Zippo is a conflationist.

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The problem, I believe is, from the reader's standpoint, that when individuals spout anti-Jewish/Israeli rhetoric, one usually understands what is the motivating factor:

-Had a Jewish teacher that failed him/her consistently.
-Had a bad date with someone Jewish.
-Lost some competition to someone Jewish.
-Strangers think one is Jewish due to certain physical traits.
-Likes the attention of being an anti-Semite.

However, the reader doesn't know (I don't know) what motivates Zippo in his fairly daily anti-Jewish/Israel postings?

I'm beginning to wonder if Zippo has a reason, or he's being controlled by forces beyond our understanding?

Can Jesus heal Zippo?

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Foofie,

It is quite possible for a rational, discerning person to be (1) without any prejudice toward Jews, and (2) simultaneously opposed to the policies of the Israeli government with respect to their neighbors (particularly since 1967). Likewise one can believe the organized support of American Jews for Israel is understandable from a human perspective, but at the same time contrary to what he may perceive as the right interest of the United States.

You appear to yourself harbor traces of the same prejudices that you so liberally apply to gentiles.

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Has anyone read the comments posted on the timesonline article. Wow! i am not the only one who has noticed the effect of 'Israeli Lobby' and AIPAC on American politics. I advice people to wake up and smell the coffee. There are so many comments such as this one posted by John Chuchman:

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"...It has been considered ugly to say anything of this general nature for decades. The reason, of course, was sensitivities over the NAZI's lunatic claims and savagery.

But times are changing. Israel today is understood as quite savage itself and unbending for peace.

It is finally starting to be acceptable to criticize Israel, although Israel's extreme defenders insist on calling everyone who does so, anti-Semitic.

Two highly respected American academics from two of the nation's most prestigious universities, as I'm sure you know, have written a study on this very subject. Their findings completely support Dawkin's comment.

They too have been called anti-Semitic.

Former President Jimmy Carter has spoken out now about Israel's policies. There never was a fairer or more intelligent man in the White House, but he too has been called anti-Semitic.

Bishop Tutu and Nelso Mandela have spoken out about Israel's apartheid. Again, we get the charge of anti-Semitism.

Israel gets more foreign aid - $3 billion per year - from the United States than any other nation on earth - that's five hundred dllars per year per Israeli - and yet it is not at all an underdeveloped country.

It also receives immense other privileges such as access to intelligence. Israel's prime minister gets more visits to the White House than virtually any other leader.

Moreover, Israel has been caught several times engaging in serious espionage against the U.S. but they pay no penalty.

If you think that that kind of privileged position and assistance can be maintained in the American political system without heavy influence - what Americans call clout - you are only kidding yourself.

Please don't abuse the intelligence of readers this way."

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