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"What is truth?" (John 18:38)

 
 
Bartikus
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 12:39 am
truthfully I never even heard of codswallop.

God loves you...love him back and each other. I don't know if I love codswallop though.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:21 am
Are we speaking of my truth, your truth, or Christ's truth?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:47 am
You and I could be incorrect.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:52 am
Quote:
Are we speaking of my truth, your truth, or Christ's truth?


or your christ's truth, or his christ's truth, or someone else's christ's truth.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 10:39 am
Have you ever had an argument with yourself and lost?
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 01:43 pm
absolutely. it's the only way you can be sure you're being honest with yourself.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 19 Nov, 2007 09:20 pm
I always win. But then, its my alter ego that loses.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 12:54 am
Point is we each define our separate truths .... even J.C..
We could attempt to define truth by answering the question ' why is good considered good and evil 'evil'?
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 03:16 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
Point is we each define our separate truths .... even J.C..
We could attempt to define truth by answering the question ' why is good considered good and evil 'evil'?
You gave Pilate's answer.

Jesus apparently was not referring to opinion.
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tinygiraffe
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 04:25 pm
ooh, argumentum ad reductio pilateum!
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2007 06:12 pm
Mt 24:35-HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 01:04 am
Bartikus...nice word magic !

But consider...

Quote:
So long as MEN can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives THIS
, and this gives life to thee.

Shakespeare (Sonnet 18)

Quote:
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with MAN

fresco (previous posts observing that the concept "beginning" was also invented by man)
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 06:31 pm
"Beginning" is a concept of insufficient definition.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 07:35 pm
Neologist, if we expect language to completely reflect reality we will find that all words/concepts remain insufficiently "defined".
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 09:40 pm
What I was referring to is the concept of 'beginning' in reference to such entities as space and time, cause and effect, and whatever logical constructs we use to make sense of reality.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 04:01 am
neologist precisely,

That is why "sacred texts" are no more than "books of spells". Their contents aspire to "closure" of an infinite regress where none is possible. Their repeated performance as incantation amounts to a modification of "reality" in the mind of the believer which may subsequently be labelled "truth".
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 08:44 am
I don't fully see the connection. Unless you are talking about relative or subjective 'truth.'

It seems (to me) that Jesus' words imply an absolute.

Whereas Pilate's response is from your point of view.
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fresco
 
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 10:15 am
Modern science, with its perpetually shifting paradigms, would seem to have substantiated Pilate's point of view that there is no "absolute truth".
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 11:00 am
Precisely Laughing
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 2 Dec, 2007 12:21 pm
fresco wrote:
Modern science, with its perpetually shifting paradigms, would seem to have substantiated Pilate's point of view that there is no "absolute truth".


Would 'absolute knowledge' endow 'absolute truth'?
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