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parents of 3 Kings or Queens?

 
 
dov1953
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2003 03:28 pm
Hey-hey! I'm just guessing here but wasn't the father of the famous Cleopatra VII a father of three? Cleo married two of her reigning brothers and she reigned herself, sort of, so this case might qualify. Cool
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 14 Aug, 2003 03:34 pm
Oh jeeze, i forgot the Vasa's

Gustav I of Sweden--Gustav Vasa--(1521-60), was succeeded by four of his sons:

Eric XIV of Sweden (1560-68)
John III of Sweden--Johan III)--(1568-92)
Sigismund--who was also elected King of Poland, and, as he was therefore obliged to convert to Catholicism, he was replaced by the Swedes--(1592-99)
Charles IX of Sweden--Karl IX--(1599-1611)
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2003 09:04 am
Setanta wrote:
Oh jeeze, i forgot the Vasa's

Gustav I of Sweden--Gustav Vasa--(1521-60), was succeeded by four of his sons:

Eric XIV of Sweden (1560-68)
John III of Sweden--Johan III)--(1568-92)
Sigismund--who was also elected King of Poland, and, as he was therefore obliged to convert to Catholicism, he was replaced by the Swedes--(1592-99)
Charles IX of Sweden--Karl IX--(1599-1611)


Sigismund III was a grandson of Gustaf I, not a son. His father was Johan III.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Aug, 2003 10:14 am
Machts nicht, Gustav still sired Johan, Erik and Karl . . .
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Letty
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 12:51 pm
So sorry to interrupt the hall of Kings. I just got back in A2K and I wanted to say I'm happy that it has been a bloodless revolution Smile
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Orjan
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 11:48 am
The Danish king Svein Estridssen ( 1047-76) had five sons who succeeded him as king.

Harald Hen: 1076-1080
Knud the Holy: 1080-1086
Oluf Hunger: 1086-1095
Erik Ejegod: 1095-1103
Nils: 1104-1134
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Orjan
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 12:04 pm
Setanta wrote:

Margaret of Denmark was the daughter of the King of Norway; her husband, the King of Demark, was the son of the eldest daughter of the King of Sweden, none of whose sons survived into adulthood. When her husband died, followed shortly by the Kings of Norway and Denmark, she found herself the mother of the King of Norway, Denmark and Sweden, united in a toddler. She took power as regent, a move in which the chief ministers of all three nations acquieced with a good grace, and weilded that power for 16 or 17 years, until she felt her son was ready for the responsibility.

I am sorry to say this, but there is not much in your text that is correct.

Margaret was the daugther of Valdemar Atterdag, the king over Denmark. She married the Norwegian king Håkon Magnusson that later also became his fathers coregent in Sweden. Margarets five year old son Oluf succeded his grandfather Valdemar Atterdag as Danish king 1375, and his father Håkon as Norwegian king 1380. The actual regent however were Margeret. Oluf died 1387 but Margerat remained to be Denmark and Norweys leader. She defeated The Swedish king Albrekt of Mecklenburg and took control over Sweden 1389.

No king were appointed in any of the three Scandinavian kingdooms until 1397 when Margarets sister's grandson Erik of Pomerania was elected to be the first king over the Kalmar union (Sweden-Denmark-Norway). But Margaret remained to be the real regent until her death in 1412.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 12:07 pm
Well, you've got the family relationships correct, and i was working off the cuff from memory--so i've no quibble with your corrections. At any event, i am more interested in Margaret than in the others, as she was the only capable person on the scene. The Kalmar Union was a union in name only, it came to nothing.
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dov1953
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 08:36 pm
I thing we've got a winner in Orjan's entry. I would like to know about the Popes and Roman Emperors still. If there were Popes, it was probably a Borgia, Medici or Orsini. Idea
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 09:25 pm
Strictly speaking, since the question says Kings and Queens, this doesn't qualify, but, Maria Teresa was the mother of:
Joseph II, King of Bohemia 1761-90, Holy Roman Emperor 1765-90
Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1790-92
Marie Antoinette, Queen of France, 1774-93
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2003 06:55 am
Setanta wrote:
Strictly speaking, since the question says Kings and Queens, this doesn't qualify, but, Maria Teresa was the mother of:
Joseph II, King of Bohemia 1761-90, Holy Roman Emperor 1765-90
Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1790-92
Marie Antoinette, Queen of France, 1774-93


Perhaps you missed this when I posted it on Aug. 13:

joefromchicago wrote:
Maria Theresa, ruler of Austria, was mother to three monarchs: Emperor Joseph II, Emperor Leopold II, and Frederick Ferdinand, duke of Modena.


You are correct in noting that Marie Antoinette was not a reigning monarch but rather the consort of one. Frederick Ferdinand of Modena, on the other hand, was a reigning monarch.

dove1953 wrote:
Hey-hey! I'm just guessing here but wasn't the father of the famous Cleopatra VII a father of three? Cleo married two of her reigning brothers and she reigned herself, sort of, so this case might qualify


Ptolemy XI was father to Cleopatra, Ptolemy XII, and Ptolemy XIII. Ptolemy I (one of Alexander the Great's generals and founder of the Egyptian Ptolemaic dynasty) was father of: Pharoah Ptolemy II; Ptolemy, king of Macedonia; and Meleager, king of Macedonia.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2003 07:28 am
No, Boss, i had read it before, i had just forgotten by the time i got to this point in the thread. Old age is hell . . .
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dov1953
 
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Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2003 11:29 pm
Laughing Joe, Wasn't Cleo married to two of her brothers?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 10:11 am
dov1953 wrote:
Laughing Joe, Wasn't Cleo married to two of her brothers?


I believe that is correct, although her only child was fathered by Marc Antony.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 10:29 am
The only source i know of for the life of Cleopatra which was nearly contemporary was Plutarch, who was not exactly sympathetic--he was "typically" male in regard to that misogynistic world. If anyone here knows of a reliable primary source, i'd be interested to know of it.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 10:36 am
I was looking at a website on Dunfermline Abbey and noticed this on the abbey's history timeline. I don't think this family was mentioned by anyone:

C. 1070 AD: Malcolm III, King of Scotland and Margaret (later St. Margaret) are married, possibly at Dunfermline by Fothad the Culdee (Celtic) Bishop of St. Andrews. The marriage produced eight children, six sons and two daughters. Three of their sons Edgar, Alexander I, and David I, became Kings of Scotland.
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Orjan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 12:56 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
dov1953 wrote:
Laughing Joe, Wasn't Cleo married to two of her brothers?


I believe that is correct, although her only child was fathered by Marc Antony.

Cleopatra had several children and her most famous child (Caesarion) was the son to Julius Caesar. Her daughter Selene married king Juba II of Macedonia 20 BC.
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Equus
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 01:11 pm
Anglo-Saxon king of Wessex Aethelwulf was the father of
King Aethelbald 858-860
King Aethelbert 860-866
King Aethelred I 866-871
King Alfred the Great 871-900
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 01:13 pm
Ã-rjan wrote:
Cleopatra had several children and her most famous child (Caesarion) was the son to Julius Caesar. Her daughter Selene married king Juba II of Macedonia 20 BC.


Well, I have no one to blame but myself. I was relying on a reprint edition of Grote's Stammtafeln, which only includes "important" children, and which listed only Caesarion (Ptolemy XIV). And as for confusing Julius Caesar and Marc Antony, I can only claim temporary insanity.
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dov1953
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2003 10:22 am
I believe that Cleo had a daughter named Cleo and this second Cleo became the Queen consort of the King of Mauretania. I may be confusing Macedonia with Mauretania. Drunk
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