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Chung Shi Shoes

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:21 pm
I agree with ragman, and I assume he with me because we have (as I understand it) the same general criteria.

If you find shoes that work for you, good, let us know how it works out.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:29 pm
okaaaaay....

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying either osso...

Would it be better if I paid an orthopaedic doctor a hundred dollars or more to find out if the shoes feel good?

Why do that when I've been seeing and paying for a professional for months now, that not only knows the complete structure and make up of feet in general, but my feet in particular, as well as all the other joints, tendons, ligaments muscle, and how they are all interacting at this moment, in my body?

I've never had a foot problem in my entire life, but I did have a lack of balance, flexibility and neck problems. Remember, I'm trying to determine if these shoes will properly align and maintain my core as I walk in them. If my feet feel balanced, so will the rest of my body.

I'm not understanding what "shrug" means....it's almost like you're disappointed I found instant delight and balance with them, and spent my own money. I didn't even say I was going to keep them. I said I was going to get the opinion of my rolfer.


I'm not annoyed or anything, although it might sound like it....I just don't understand what either of you are trying to say.

Would you prefer if I said they were a complete gimmick?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:42 pm
Chai wrote:
okaaaaay....

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying either osso...

Would it be better if I paid an orthopaedic doctor a hundred dollars or more to find out if the shoes feel good?

Why do that when I've been seeing and paying for a professional for months now, that not only knows the complete structure and make up of feet in general, but my feet in particular, as well as all the other joints, tendons, ligaments muscle, and how they are all interacting at this moment, in my body?

I've never had a foot problem in my entire life, but I did have a lack of balance, flexibility and neck problems. Remember, I'm trying to determine if these shoes will properly align and maintain my core as I walk in them. If my feet feel balanced, so will the rest of my body.

I'm not understanding what "shrug" means....it's almost like you're disappointed I found instant delight and balance with them, and spent my own money. I didn't even say I was going to keep them. I said I was going to get the opinion of my rolfer.


I'm not annoyed or anything, although it might sound like it....I just don't understand what either of you are trying to say.

Would you prefer if I said they were a complete gimmick?













Would it be better if I paid an orthopaedic doctor a hundred dollars or more to find out if the shoes feel good?





Not so much if the shoes felt good for that period of time, but to

oh, wait. Why am I bothering. If you don't want to see an orthopedist, don't.


Your feet are your feet (from any point of view).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:57 pm
Ah, well, to me, a hundred dollars to an orthopedist (and I don't just love all orthopedists) CAN be well spent.

You are going to toss, what, 250, on shoes?

What is going on here is some stuff against seeming orthodoxy, which might be right or not.



I'm science biased and whohoo questioning - not always, though mostly.

In this particular case, I see shoe sales.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 06:59 pm
Re: Chung Shi Shoes
Chai wrote:
Has anyone here had any personal experience with them?

I'm going to be looking into buying a pair. Haven't even tried a pair on yet.


Chung Shi's are an athletic shoe that is supposed to assist in muscle use alignment, and balance. While wearing them, it's supposed to work your core muscles and assist you in maintaing proper balance and posture.

As some of you know, I'm finishing up a series of 10 Rolfing sessions (structural intergration) and it has done marvelous things for my entire body. As the weather cools here, I'm looking forwards to walking the trails, and would like to be able to properly use my body during all activities.

These shoes are pretty pricey ($250 and up), but, I just received a $50 visa gift card, and got a refund check from somewhere for $100, so, I'm thinking of splurging on myself for once.

Anyone?



Wow....so this thread has gone from "Has anyone had any personal experience with them" (which BTW, no one has, not even to try a pair on, except now for me obviously), to ....you should see an orthopaedic physician to determine.....well, I'm not really sure what seeing one is supposed to determine.

I'm really confused.....kinda like when I say they feel good, you and ragman are huddled together whispering "just wait....she'll see...." Or that you'd only be ok with me going to buy a brand of shoe you've already used, but if you haven't heard of it, or tried it, it's suspect.

I'll be honest with you....I put them back on a little while ago, and took a little test run up and down the hall a few times....they felt amazingly fantastic........


<shrugs> Confused

anyway, I looked at my schedule, and I'm going to see Sandy tomorrow, not Friday, so that's really cool.

oh...and I don't HAVE anything wrong with my feet, I really and truly don't.

Science? Like....knowing the anatomy of the foot? To see if somethings out of place? Like Sandy, the RN and certified rolfer does? I gotta be honest with you...I'm absolutely positive she knows every bit as much about the structure of the foot as an orthopaedic doctor....sure, she can't treat problems with surgury and medication...she's not a physician...however, I'd put her up against any doc as far as determining if all the components of any area of the human body is where it should be.

I don't know if you read my rolfing thread, but, it's not hugging crystals and burning sage....it being intimate with and knowledgable about your anatomy.

Well, again, I may sound annoyed, but I'm not.

Initially, as said, I was looking to see if anyone had any personal experience with a product, not to become convinced by someone that I have something wrong with a part of my body that I know works perfectly fine.


Hey! Why don't you go try a pair on yourselves and tell ME how they feel?
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 07:30 pm
Re: Chung Shi Shoes
Chai wrote:



Wow....so this thread has gone from "Has anyone had any personal experience with them" (which BTW, no one has, not even to try a pair on, except now for me obviously), to ....you should see an orthopaedic physician to determine.....well, I'm not really sure what seeing one is supposed to determine.

I'm really confused.....kinda like when I say they feel good, you and ragman are huddled together whispering "just wait....she'll see...." Or that you'd only be ok with me going to buy a brand of shoe you've already used, but if you haven't heard of it, or tried it, it's suspect.

I'll be honest with you....I put them back on a little while ago, and took a little test run up and down the hall a few times....they felt amazingly fantastic........


<shrugs> Confused

anyway, I looked at my schedule, and I'm going to see Sandy tomorrow, not Friday, so that's really cool.


My shrug is a response of retreat. When you ask for opinions, and then ignore and admittedly don't read them fully, I'm forced to retreat.

Before I retreat though:

You CLEARLY don't want to hear advice that refutes what you have already decided on -- that you want this shoe. Why ask advice when you won't listen to it objectively?

I will say this about the info that others and myself provided: when others and myself weren't able to to provide you with their own personal experiences with that particular shoe, you tossed everything out. I provided online contributors who DID wear them. They were predominantly negative in their opinions of the experience.

Furthermore, what I provided was my experiences with other negative heal technology. I warned against it based on evidence of my own and evidence of others people I knew. I said that there were good premium shoes at HALF the price on the market. And I posted info indicating that Earth Shoe (negative heal technology) had a model that was about half the price if you wanted the negative heal tech shoes. They had some positive responses from wearers, too.

Your own description of your first experiences with the shoe should have convinced you that balance and walking in them requires a lot of adjustment. You clearly want to be convinced of these shoes having merit and nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise.

BTW, when you walked outside with a pair of shoes, they become officially your shoes. When they touch the rough pavement, the store can no longer sell them as new shoes. If you have some special arrangement with the store and their return policy, then they're being very generous.

Sorry you feel that people are whispering about you. I know I'm not and I don't think anyone else was doing this, either. That to me is an indication of paranoid response.

Also, the people you are talking about seeing are not trained Orthopaedist or sports Orthopaedist. Someone that may know something about Rolfing is not an expert on Kinesiology and Orthopaedics...very helpful with the direction for what you're seeking. Seeing an MD specialiast would give you a Medical answer to your questions. If you make your choice ...you may want to consider advice from the proper specialist.

No one here has told you that there was something wrong with your body anywhere that I've read. I had offered advice that using a pair of customized orthotics will help align your feet and gait in such a way so as to avoid repetitive usage injuries that can come from exercise. Entirely different direction than indicating something is wrong with your body. As your own research has shown, proper alignment is critical to good health and injury avoidance.

"Hey! Why don't you go try a pair on yourselves and tell ME how they feel? "

Why don't I? Because I have no desire for the experience of a pair of shoes that will likely cause me problems (as indicated by online research). My money is too hard-earned to wasted on an unproven gimmick.

Truly, I wish you well...even if you come to conclusions with which I don't agree.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 08:14 pm
ragman....you don't read what I say very carefully, do you?

#1 and formost...I did not, at any time ask for opinions, or advice. If you would care to reread, I asked specifically if anyone had any experience with with shoe.

#2, I know how to google as well as you do....I read every single word you read about the shoe, and more....I'd estimate you googled and read for, what? 15-20 minutes?....I read, re-read, crossed referenced for any connection with body alignment, pilates, rolfing, costs, reports, how it relates to spine, neck, muscles and fascia...for about a week now, probably a total of more than a dozen hours. When I made the decision to rolf, I made it after investigating it, talking to others for somewheres around the year.....I don't make snap judgements about things that effect my body.
As I already discussed, if someone's body is badly out of alignment, which mine isn't, it wouldn't feel good at all to put on a device that would try to make it move, stand in such a way they can't to comfortably. I didn't toss any any of your advice, even though I didn't ask for it, however, listening to advice must be taken with how it works in an individuals environment, which is different for each person. I read your unsolicited advice with the mind as to how it pertains to my situation. Perhaps, my response just wasn't what YOU wanted to hear from me, not visa versa.

#3, you seem to be concerned with the fact that you can buy a shoe for half the price....what if that shoe doesn't align my body that way I am looking for a shoe to do? And, anyway, you really shouldn't worry about the amount of money I choose to spend on something. I'm sure there are things you buy that I would shake my head at saying "I could get that for HALF the price" I choose to carefully spend my money where it does me the best benefit....I'm not interested in fancy cars, expensive clothes, vacations music, going to the movies...so, I have a few exta dollars to spare to buy what is important to me. Thanks for your concern though. You'll be relieved to know me buying an expensive pair of shoes won't effect my retirement account, or even keep me from going out to dinner this weekend.

#4 I'm trying to see where I wrote that standing and walking in these shoes "takes alot of adjustment"....from what I recall, after 2 or 3 steps wearing them, I was exclaiming out loud like a woman having an orgasm..."yeah, that's it....that's it...ohhhhh" and, as far as standing, well, I'm sorry it took me about 6 and a half seconds to figure out to shift my weight where it should be anyway. It's a real shame how my spine pulled up straighter too.

Actually, as I've said before, my rolfer is an RN, last time I looked, that's a medical profession.

Wow...holy ****! What do you know! I just looked Sandy up on the internet, found her site, and looked at her CV...guess what she has a degree in....Kinesiology!!!

Here's an old joke ragman......What do you call a doctor who graduated last in his class?





wait......








wait.......





wait.......









You call him doctor.

Meaning, if I don't know about an ortho doc, for all I know, he could have been last in his class.

As far as your saying "nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise".....

wow, have a little control issue? So, even though you haven't researched, questioned, tried on, or much of anything else about a product....you seem to see it as your job to "convince me otherwise"? How can you do that when you don't know what you're trying to convince me about?

I don't run...I am looking for balance. You may have missed that point, since I've only said it 10 times.

oh...and the part about people whispering about me....jesus, ragman, do you really feel you need to dig that low when it's obvious I don't think I'm being talked about....at least that's what the voices in my head keep telling me.

At first, I did find what you had to say interesting, and if I go back and reread your initial posts, I still do...

However, as an intelligent person, I do what intelligent people do...take the knowledge and apply it to their individual situation.

It is true ragman, I didn't start this thread to have anyone try to "convince" me of anything. Somehow you hatched that thought in your head all by yourself.

Finally, for some odd reason, and it may not be true, but you don't seem to believe that I've come to a point where I can tell exactly when I'm leaning, standing, sitting, bending or lying in an improper position, and can tell which body part, which may not be obvious, to move in order to rebalance myself.

Could it possibly be, with all your learning about how google works, or the fact that you did something that I've never had any interest in, i.e. running, or you know some medical words about pronation, and where you can buy running shoes at a decent price, or that you can compare an unknown physician to a person whose knowledge, experience and degrees I know about.... that you feel you somehow have the advantage of superior knowledge over me?

BTW, I went to Academy a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not exaggerating when I say I must have tried on at least 25 or 30 pairs of running, cross training, and walking shoes, of all different prices and brands, and I walked out tired, discouraged and beaten, because not one of those pairs felt very good.

Today, I tried on one pair of shoes, and was, within a minute, very very impressed.

I suppose I should go back to Academy and pick out one of those 25 or 30 pairs that didn't even feel 25% as good as the pair I tried on today, because it might have the ragman seal of approval.

Seriously, before you get so cock sure of your knowledge, why don't you see what they feel like?

Nighty night.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 08:23 pm
Whatever.

Enjoy your shoes. Work it out.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 08:32 pm
I don't have 250 to spend on shoes - like soz, before she bought new shoes, I'm working on an old pair of nike air max, best for my own odd feet.


Like the rest of you, I don't care what you or I choose, but that the shoes work with our feet.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 08:49 pm
Oh, and why, Chai, should ragman try your shoe find, to give an opinion?

You who have never run?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 08:53 pm
What's the deal for mocking ragman and his opinions?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:13 pm
So, I've offended, you only wanted to hear about the opinions of those who'd tried certain shoes.

Waves bye.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:17 pm
C'mon guys... it's not like we're talking Jimmy Choo's, here!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:27 pm
Or is it? I don't get all the heels on the Sartorialist.com - plums balancing, oh, never mind.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:29 pm
Hey, just kidding. I'm an Aerosoles and Naturalist kinda girl... oh, and Hush Puppies. Anything that makes my feet feel like they're in heaven...
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Ragman
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:30 pm
Sings, "You've Got to Have Friends" at top of my voice!

Peace be with you and your shoe choice. This all has gotten too embattled for my blood. The fact is that you seems very defensive about all this. Well...You win!

Hey, Mame. Did you know that there's a great website called Zappo's? I've bought a few pair of shoes from them over these last 2 years. They are like the LL Bean (reputable mail-order) of shoes. They carry everything from recreational, casual dress, sneakers to dress shoes for men and women and kids. They guarantee the fit and they'll pay shipping both ways (if you return them). Maybe they have Feng Shwei shoes too?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:37 pm
Let's say we can agree on the matter of foot comfort.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:40 pm
Of course we know about Zappos...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:42 pm
Chai, People who posted on this thread only wanted to provide some information that may be helpful to you, even though none of us has any experience with the shoes you asked about.

I personally think Ragman's suggestion has a lot of merit, and worth your consideration.
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 25 Sep, 2007 09:45 pm
Ha! I just bought a pair! I love them!

My worst (foot) crime: I used to wear heels when I worked in offices and one time I saw a podiatrist about all the lumps and bumps on my toes. Did he give me shite!!! I've never worn a heel to work since (occasionally to an evening event, but now I don't even want to go near them)... all the lumps and bumps are gone and I have a new appreciation for my feet and what kind of stress they take all day long.


Have you heard of Fluevog? Now he makes shoes for your foot! And they're ergonomic etc etc etc...
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