WAS COVERT ATTEMPT TO NUKE IRAN FOILED BY LEAK?

Advocate wrote:

Kennedy was wrong in drawing the line in Cuba. Had he attacked, we would have lost 90 million people.

Better dead than red.

Better dead than red.

I didn't get my degree from the teacher's training college - nor the foreign language faculty.






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I challenge you to demonstrate how even one of my statements is nonsensical.

The only experiment over uranium vs. plutonium devices was the Trinity test back in the US.

The fact that the gun bomb was certain to work, and the implosion bomb was tested at Trinity, shows that I am not wrong.

Better dead than red.

oralloy wrote:

I challenge you to demonstrate how even one of my statements is nonsensical.

Thats not difficult oralloy. Here's a couple from recent posts

1. you said

oralloy wrote:

The only experiment over uranium vs. plutonium devices was the Trinity test back in the US.

I said that was wrong. There was no uranium vs. plutonium test at Trinity. Trinity was a test of the implosion mechanism only. It was not a comparison test between the uranium and plutonium bombs. It was a test of the implosion method, to see if it worked or not. The actual experiment uranium vs. plutonium took place in Japan at Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively.

you said

oralloy wrote:

The fact that the gun bomb was certain to work, and the implosion bomb was tested at Trinity, shows that I am not wrong.

Which is an admission that there was no comparison uranium vs. plutonium test at Trinity and demonstrates by your own words that you were in fact wrong to claim that there was.

If you'd like to be slightly more accurate, we could say the comparison between the two bombs was at Trinity and "wherever it was that they brought Little Boy up to the edge of criticality and took readings of the radiation emitted".

oralloy wrote:

If you'd like to be slightly more accurate, we could say the comparison between the two bombs was at Trinity and "wherever it was that they brought Little Boy up to the edge of criticality and took readings of the radiation emitted".

Thats surprising for someone who has done all the research on this topic. For your information the Dragon experiment took place at Omega Canyon (part of the Los Alamos complex) in late 1944, supervised by Otto Frisch. A super critical assembly of uranium hydride was completed momentarily by allowing a slug of the same material to drop through it. A temperature rise of 2 deg C per millisecond was recorded. But note this was for the hydride, the pure metal would react much quicker in the bomb itself. The Trinity test events of 16th July 1945 are well documented.

Admiral Fallon's words of wisdom
Admiral William Fallon, head of U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East, has heard plenty of war-mongering rhetoric from the right when it comes to Iran. He's come to an important conclusion: it's not helping.

"None of this is helped by the continuing stories that just keep going around and around and around that any day now there will be another war which is just not where we want to go," he said.

"Getting Iranian behaviour to change and finding ways to get them to come to their senses and do that is the real objective. Attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice in my book."


I look forward to Rudy Giuliani and his foreign policy advisors explaining why Admiral Fallon is guilty of pre-9/11 thinking. Who knows, maybe we'll even hear Limbaugh dismiss him as a "phony soldier."

--Steve Benen

The Bush administration is losing patience with Gordon Brown over Iran, with senior American diplomats frustrated by his reluctance to declare bluntly that the Islamic state must never be allowed nuclear weapons.

Allies of Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, have told The Sunday Telegraph that the Prime Minister should emulate France's President Nicolas Sarkozy...

steve

Somewhat off topic but I thought you'd appreciate this one...

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The Bush administration is losing patience with Gordon Brown over Iran, with senior American diplomats frustrated by his reluctance to declare bluntly that the Islamic state must never be allowed nuclear weapons.

Allies of Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, have told The Sunday Telegraph that the Prime Minister should emulate France's President Nicolas Sarkozy...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/11/wiran111.xml

Next evolution in modern American conservatives' any-port-in-a-storm foundation for principles... the French poodle, most noble and brave of beasts. I see a poster here involving an eagle and sodomy.

In defence of the poodle- not to be confused with the toy poodle- it can be a very butch dog. Grrrrrr

Efraim Halevy, the former head of the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, titled his memoirs "Man in the Shadows." But now that he's out in the sunlight, the 72-year-old retired spy chief has some surprisingly contrarian things to say about Iran and Syria. The gist of his message is that rather than constantly ratcheting up the rhetoric of confrontation, the United States and Israel should be looking for ways to establish a creative dialogue with these adversaries.

The gist of his message is that rather than constantly ratcheting up the rhetoric of confrontation, the United States and Israel should be looking for ways to establish a creative dialogue with these adversaries.

spendi

What sources do you use to get your information on the middle east?