0
   

Yawn, Bush's Suprise Visit to Iraq Today

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 09:03 am
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Fair enough.

But let me clarify; being in the service means having to say "yes sir" no matter what the situation or circumstances. When a soldier claps when a president speaks, it's probably because their commander told them they had to.

"No" is not in a soldiers vocabulary - or at least 99.9 percent of them.

Your "no" answer doesn't show you to be "ignorant." It only shows why you may not understand how the military operates.

BTW, I'm not sure why telling whether you served in the military is so "private."


Bullsh!t!!!

As a result, I can now draw doubt as to your personal experience.


Oh, right. What do you think happens to the soldier who says 'morale is low, Mr. President'? Nothing? You don't know a damn thing about the military if you actually claim that's true; I know for a fact otherwise.

Cycloptichorn


Whatever. Apparently, your "experience" is the only one that is relavent?

Back to the point, do you not think troops needs and enjoy these types of visits from our heads of State?


Sure. That's the reason why recruitment is down, and they are now recruiting people with criminal records, no high school diploma, and a $20,000 bonus to get the opportunity be transfereed to Iraq ASAP.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 09:28 am
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Fair enough.

But let me clarify; being in the service means having to say "yes sir" no matter what the situation or circumstances. When a soldier claps when a president speaks, it's probably because their commander told them they had to.

"No" is not in a soldiers vocabulary - or at least 99.9 percent of them.

Your "no" answer doesn't show you to be "ignorant." It only shows why you may not understand how the military operates.

BTW, I'm not sure why telling whether you served in the military is so "private."


Bullsh!t!!!

As a result, I can now draw doubt as to your personal experience.


Oh, right. What do you think happens to the soldier who says 'morale is low, Mr. President'? Nothing? You don't know a damn thing about the military if you actually claim that's true; I know for a fact otherwise.

Cycloptichorn


Whatever. Apparently, your "experience" is the only one that is relavent?

Back to the point, do you not think troops needs and enjoy these types of visits from our heads of State?


Sorry. I'm a little testy, as I just found out this morning that a good friend of mine serving in Iraq will come home with a perforated lung and three fingers short on his left hand.

We were worried b/c he emails pretty regularly, and hadn't sent anything in a long time. Turns out, he can't type any more. I'm pretty angry at the moment on the topic of Iraq.

Specifically, to your question though, I don't think they enjoy these visits at all, other then the fact that they get an hour or two off of regular duty in order to look all pretty for the politicians.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 09:42 am
0 Replies
 
candidone1
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 10:50 am
I think it's naive to think that this has more to do with the troops, or troop morale, than it does about some much needed face time in the media.

I also find it difficult to believe that there is a majority of troops who would welcome him with open arms over the ones who would want to see his arms blown off.

The troops know what's going on just as much as everyone else. I would wish only the worst upon this man if he were to show his smug little face in the midst of his manufactured conflict.
0 Replies
 
snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 10:51 am
Anyone saying "the troops need and enjoy that type of visit" is, in my opinion, not operating in reality. I don't believe those troops "enjoyed" or "needed" the opportunity to stand there in full battle rattle next to their vehicles while the chimp-in-chief went from vehicle to vehicle, posing for pictures. I think they saw it the same way as troops see most ceremony - a buncha useless BS and contrived "hoo-rahs" made mandatory. I saw the C-Span footage. Shrub was sweat-soaked all the way through his Brooks Bros short sleeved shirt. How comfortable do you think those soldiers were who had to pose there in flak jackets and kevlars?
0 Replies
 
woiyo
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 10:59 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Fair enough.

But let me clarify; being in the service means having to say "yes sir" no matter what the situation or circumstances. When a soldier claps when a president speaks, it's probably because their commander told them they had to.

"No" is not in a soldiers vocabulary - or at least 99.9 percent of them.

Your "no" answer doesn't show you to be "ignorant." It only shows why you may not understand how the military operates.

BTW, I'm not sure why telling whether you served in the military is so "private."


Bullsh!t!!!

As a result, I can now draw doubt as to your personal experience.


Oh, right. What do you think happens to the soldier who says 'morale is low, Mr. President'? Nothing? You don't know a damn thing about the military if you actually claim that's true; I know for a fact otherwise.

Cycloptichorn


Whatever. Apparently, your "experience" is the only one that is relavent?

Back to the point, do you not think troops needs and enjoy these types of visits from our heads of State?


Sorry. I'm a little testy, as I just found out this morning that a good friend of mine serving in Iraq will come home with a perforated lung and three fingers short on his left hand.

We were worried b/c he emails pretty regularly, and hadn't sent anything in a long time. Turns out, he can't type any more. I'm pretty angry at the moment on the topic of Iraq.

Specifically, to your question though, I don't think they enjoy these visits at all, other then the fact that they get an hour or two off of regular duty in order to look all pretty for the politicians.

Cycloptichorn


Tell your friend he is a hero and I appreciate his sacrifice.
0 Replies
 
Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 11:05 am
I was in the military and can say pity the poor soldier who acts other than slavishly toward the president.

BTW, a soldier really knows little of the overall picture in the country. He or she becomes an expert on the bumper of the vehicle in front.
0 Replies
 
candidone1
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 11:52 am
woiyo wrote:
Tell your friend he is a hero and I appreciate his sacrifice.



It's unfortunate that after having been sent into a war under false pretenses he is to return home in a condition contrary to that in which he left....Bush gets to leave his 2001-2008 "tour of duty" intact, with the ability to "replenish the 'ol coffers" by doing the talkshow circuit and acting like a hero.

Maimed as he is, let's just hope that the government that sent Cy's friend into harms way treats him like a hero for the remainder of his life.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 12:01 pm
candidone1 wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Tell your friend he is a hero and I appreciate his sacrifice.



It's unfortunate that after having been sent into a war under false pretenses he is to return home in a condition contrary to that in which he left....Bush gets to leave his 2001-2008 "tour of duty" intact, with the ability to "replenish the 'ol coffers" by doing the talkshow circuit and acting like a hero.

Maimed as he is, let's just hope that the government that sent Cy's friend into harms way treats him like a hero for the remainder of his life.


He has a supporting family, and friends. But not a thumb on his right hand.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Bi-Polar Bear
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 12:03 pm
I think what the soldiers want need and would enjoy would be to see any famous people on their goddam television sets back in their own goddam country and to never see another desert again.
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 12:45 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I think what the soldiers want need and would enjoy would be to see any famous people on their goddam television sets back in their own goddam country and to never see another desert again.



That wraps it up in a neat package for most who care about our soldiers and their families.
0 Replies
 
candidone1
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 02:11 pm
....c'mon, I thought they wanted to hear that they were supposed to just buck up "go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want...."

I wouldn't imagine that the sentiments toward them are any more sympathetic when they came home missing limbs, or suffering from (what is surely a liberal creation...) PTSD.

But I'm sure they lot of them felt warm and fuzzy all over knowing that Bush would leave with more security than they'll ever have over there.
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 05:46 pm
woiyo wrote:
Foofie wrote:
Why call the President a frat boy? I would never say that. I wouldn't want to think of myself as an anti-fratite ("boy" can be considered pejorative, I thought).

He went to Iraq, not Berkeley. I think his troops appreciated his visit.

Nothing much to say, other than wondering if I read the original post correctly?


You read the quote accurately. The poster obviously has nothing to say.

My guess is the troops appreciated the visit from GW, raised their moral, confirmed their mission/sacrifices and necessary.

Regardless of ones opinion of the President, troops need these types of visits.

The poster apparently has no appreciation of the sacxrifices made by the troops on "it's" behalf.

PS: Welcome to A2K


I remember watching the Bob Hope Specials when he visited our military, usually around Christmas. When the camera panned across the military personnel in the audience, I couldn't help but feel a caring and proud smile. I miss those Bob Hope Specials.

It was nice of our President to visit the troops. With or without a visit, I believe our men and women in uniform know that they are appreciated for serving our country, regardless of the anti-war sentiment some people have back home.

Also, thank you for the welcome.
0 Replies
 
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 06:02 pm
It was great. That's exactly what a Commander-in-Chief should look like.

And I have been in the military and I have been in Iraq but before all this got going and I can tell you for absolute sure that they are a beautiful people and that bastard had to be stopped no matter how long it takes and how much trouble it involves.

There is no question in my mind that Mr Bush is a heroic President.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 06:38 pm
spendius wrote:
It was great. That's exactly what a Commander-in-Chief should look like.

And I have been in the military and I have been in Iraq but before all this got going and I can tell you for absolute sure that they are a beautiful people and that bastard had to be stopped no matter how long it takes and how much trouble it involves.

There is no question in my mind that Mr Bush is a heroic President.


What's sad is how easy simple, stupid propaganda works on you.

Tell me; what exactly has he done, actually done, which you would categorize as 'heroic?'

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 06:50 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
spendius wrote:
It was great. That's exactly what a Commander-in-Chief should look like.

And I have been in the military and I have been in Iraq but before all this got going and I can tell you for absolute sure that they are a beautiful people and that bastard had to be stopped no matter how long it takes and how much trouble it involves.

There is no question in my mind that Mr Bush is a heroic President.


What's sad is how easy simple, stupid propaganda works on you.

Tell me; what exactly has he done, actually done, which you would categorize as 'heroic?'

Cycloptichorn


He got rid of a dictator in Iraq.

He understands the complexities of maintaining the U.S. economy in a global market, where the U.S., way prior to his Presidency, priced its labor force out of many a job market.

By the way, when the troops come home, will there be jobs for them? Perhaps, if they want to move to India or China (just joking, but you get the point).

Like the old fable King Midas' Touch, be wary what you wish for; you might get it.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 06:53 pm
Foofie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
spendius wrote:
It was great. That's exactly what a Commander-in-Chief should look like.

And I have been in the military and I have been in Iraq but before all this got going and I can tell you for absolute sure that they are a beautiful people and that bastard had to be stopped no matter how long it takes and how much trouble it involves.

There is no question in my mind that Mr Bush is a heroic President.


What's sad is how easy simple, stupid propaganda works on you.

Tell me; what exactly has he done, actually done, which you would categorize as 'heroic?'

Cycloptichorn


He got rid of a dictator in Iraq.

He understands the complexities of maintaining the U.S. economy in a global market, where the U.S., way prior to his Presidency, priced its labor force out of many a job market.

By the way, when the troops come home, will there be jobs for them? Perhaps, if they want to move to India or China (just joking, but you get the point).

Like the old fable King Midas' Touch, be wary what you wish for; you might get it.


You really consider it heroic to order other people to do things?

You have a different definition of heroism then I do...

Also, I find the idea that Bush 'understands the complexities of the US economy' to be laughable at best!

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 07:19 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, I find the idea that Bush 'understands the complexities of the US economy' to be laughable at best!

Cycloptichorn


Well, due to term limits, I won't have the pleasure of voting again for Bush. But, I can vote for the Republican candidate. He will win.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 07:24 pm
Foofie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, I find the idea that Bush 'understands the complexities of the US economy' to be laughable at best!

Cycloptichorn


Well, due to term limits, I won't have the pleasure of voting again for Bush. But, I can vote for the Republican candidate. He will win.


I note that you don't defend Bush's laughably poor intellect, and in fact seem to be proud of the fact you voted for him. You won't find many who will admit to such poor judgment these days.

I wonder where your confidence will be, this time next year... Laughing I doubt you will be so cock-sure.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 07:36 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Foofie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Also, I find the idea that Bush 'understands the complexities of the US economy' to be laughable at best!

Cycloptichorn


Well, due to term limits, I won't have the pleasure of voting again for Bush. But, I can vote for the Republican candidate. He will win.


I note that you don't defend Bush's laughably poor intellect, and in fact seem to be proud of the fact you voted for him. You won't find many who will admit to such poor judgment these days.

I wonder where your confidence will be, this time next year... Laughing I doubt you will be so cock-sure.

Cycloptichorn


What no one likes to say is that regardless of who is elected, Republicans, as the individuals who run much of corporate America, still manage to run things while there is a Democrat in office.

I don't have to defend any comments made about our President. This is not verbal ping-pong.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 06/17/2025 at 02:26:12