Pro-'surge' group is almost all Jewish

Thanks for showing your true colors by not addressing the text and subverting. Is there anything in that thread that I typed that is in error? At some point in the near future, I'll post the source of those facts. Having worked for Motorola, I can personally attest for the info on the technology.

When you can't acknowledge the contributions of Israel or accept important alliance Israel and US have, feel free to swing away with ad hominem attack (or better defined as ad hominem circumstantial) if it makes you feel better.

Re-edited post:
http://www.israelemb.org/la/media/ALetterFromYariv/L9.htm

This info came by way of the Consul General in Los Angles dated May 12, 2005.

FWIW, the text in its entirety with 57 internationally known accomplishments is there in the link.

Wanted to revisit this topic.

The question: what does the US get for it's 3 Billion-per-year + investment in Israel? Yglesias:

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Meanwhile, Eli also concedes that he "can't make the argument that Israel really needs that aid." But there's the core part of the Walt-Mearsheimer argument that I agree with (some of their other ideas, particularly about Iraq and Syria, seem wrong to me and their brief, deliberately one-sided account of Israeli history seemed like overkill). You have all this money going to a country that doesn't really need it, and that country doesn't do anything of particular value for us in exchange for that. Why? The existence of an unusually powerful domestic lobby on its behalf. Meanwhile, because the aid's existence is tied to a lobby that's very influential, particularly on the Hill, it's very hard for American presidents to use the aid as leverage, the way one normally would with a proxy.

I contend that we get absolutely nothing of value. Nothing. We are not given any added or extra security as a nation. The fact that Israeli companies make products we like is immaterial - they are paid for this, so how does the extra money going to the Israeli gov't on top of this make any sense?

They don't need the money from us. Their economy is quite healthy, and if they need that money to survive militarily, then there's no reason their own citizens can't pay for it.

Can anyone provide actual, tangible benefits the US receives from its' Israeli alliance? Other than lame-ass cut and paste emails which are immaterial to the topic, of course.

Cycloptichorn

What, increase our troubles in the ME even more, by permanently moving into the area, instead of simply having a proxy there?

No thanks!

The creation of Israel was a hellish, idiotic mistake; there was no real logical thought, independent of 'religious history,' put into it. I'm not against the concept of Jews having a country of their own, but as they say in Real Estate: location matters, baby. And their location was terrible.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

What, increase our troubles in the ME even more, by permanently moving into the area, instead of simply having a proxy there?

No thanks!

The creation of Israel was a hellish, idiotic mistake; there was no real logical thought, independent of 'religious history,' put into it. I'm not against the concept of Jews having a country of their own, but as they say in Real Estate: location matters, baby. And their location was terrible.

Cycloptichorn

Why would Israel becoming the 51st state (Holyland, U.S.A.) make problems for the U.S., just because it's in the Middle East? Perhaps, its neighbors are under some delusion that all that sand belongs to them? That doesn't sound correct, since we had a Manifest Destiny, or California would still be part of Mexico.

Wasn't Jesus born in Bethlehem? I think it would make some people happy if Jesus' birthplace became part of the U.S. I sense it may even be part of the biblical covenant.

Like if the Jews had Israel for "X" number of years, and the Moslems before that, isn't it time for Christians to have it too? I think the U.S. would be good stewards for the Holy Land (Holyland, U.S.A.)

In fact, I think it's long past time for any and all religious considerations to be completely removed from our governmental and political calculations. Don't you?

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact, I think it's long past time for any and all religious considerations to be completely removed from our governmental and political calculations. Don't you?

Cycloptichorn

Why ask me? Don't look for me to agree. Just state your opinion. You have no need to know my opinion.

Foofie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

In fact, I think it's long past time for any and all religious considerations to be completely removed from our governmental and political calculations. Don't you?

Cycloptichorn

Why ask me? Don't look for me to agree. Just state your opinion. You have no need to know my opinion.

You're getting pretty defensive over a simple question.

Do you, or do you not, believe that religious considerations should be completely removed from our governmental and political calculations?

I do have a need to know your opinion; it is critical to the question of the hour, and that question is, are you worth discussing things with, or just another, well, let's just say, person who isn't worth discussing things with?

Cycloptichorn

Didn't take long to solve that question.

Cycloptichorn