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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 10:49 pm
Noddy24 wrote:
Littlek--

You can also throw in stand-beside-your-desk stretch exercises, followed by a teacher-led minute of concentrated breathing.

They don't want to listen? Then you choose to have them write. Or stretch. Or breath.

You choose.


When we stretch at the desks, the kids tend to get a little out of control. One will throw himself on the ground. Two will start to throw pretend punches. Not really achieving the desired effect. But not so bad, should do more of this. When we try to do focused breathing several kids pant and hyperventilate. End up breaking in to classroom laughter. The heads-down seemed to work - she just did that this week. Well, it seemed to work once The One was removed from the room......

I talked with my bro on the way down here about the dynamic between me and MsD and that between us and the kids. I began to realize that to some extent this is a repeat of sticky situations I saw as a nanny. The parents would disregard something I'd asked the child to do and then the child would see me as having less and less authority. In this class a couple things have had this effect. Once at the beginning of the year when the teacher was going to be out of school for the day, she told the kids not to worry. She said that I would be there and that a REAL TEACHER would be coming in during the afternoon. She said this REAL TEACHER thing several times. I don't think that she meant to infer that I wasn't a real teacher so much as she meant to say that the sub wouldn't be the usual random adult. But, what I heard and what I think the kids heard was that I wasn't a real teacher. I believe that set the stage.

Another issue is the inconsistent responses they get from me and her to their requests. When a kid asks me if they can use the bathroom and I say no, they will then ask her and she'll say yes. The reason I say no is that she had clear rules about when it was ok to use the bathroom and when it was not. I was following her rules and she was breaking them. Which is her perogative, but the kids are learning to play it. I resolved this by not saying yes or no, but telling the kids to ask MsD. But it happens in other ways. Her clear rule about reading centers was that they be done in allotted areas, so I keep the kids in the specified area and after arguing with me, they ask her and she says it's ok to move. She knows when she wants to give lee-way, but I don't.

Do I just cease to direct kids? Can I teach that way? Do I talk to the teach about it? How do I do so without being annoying? I KNOW that the classroom will run more smoothly if we are on the same page. I know this from childcare. I know it'll be easier for me, but also her and the kids.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 10:53 pm
littlek wrote:
Noddy24 wrote:
Littlek--

You can also throw in stand-beside-your-desk stretch exercises, followed by a teacher-led minute of concentrated breathing.

They don't want to listen? Then you choose to have them write. Or stretch. Or breath.

You choose.


When we stretch at the desks, the kids tend to get a little out of control. One will throw himself on the ground. Two will start to throw pretend punches. Not really achieving the desired effect. But not so bad, should do more of this. When we try to do focused breathing several kids pant and hyperventilate. End up breaking in to classroom laughter. The heads-down seemed to work - she just did that this week. Well, it seemed to work once The One was removed from the room......

I talked with my bro on the way down here about the dynamic between me and MsD and that between us and the kids. I began to realize that to some extent this is a repeat of sticky situations I saw as a nanny. The parents would disregard something I'd asked the child to do and then the child would see me as having less and less authority. In this class a couple things have had this effect. Once at the beginning of the year when the teacher was going to be out of school for the day, she told the kids not to worry. She said that I would be there and that a REAL TEACHER would be coming in during the afternoon. She said this REAL TEACHER thing several times. I don't think that she meant to infer that I wasn't a real teacher so much as she meant to say that the sub wouldn't be the usual random adult. But, what I heard and what I think the kids heard was that I wasn't a real teacher. I believe that set the stage.

Another issue is the inconsistent responses they get from me and her to their requests. When a kid asks me if they can use the bathroom and I say no, they will then ask her and she'll say yes. The reason I say no is that she had clear rules about when it was ok to use the bathroom and when it was not. I was following her rules and she was breaking them. Which is her perogative, but the kids are learning to play it. I resolved this by not saying yes or no, but telling the kids to ask MsD. But it happens in other ways. Her clear rule about reading centers was that they be done in allotted areas, so I keep the kids in the specified area and after arguing with me, they ask her and she says it's ok to move. She knows when she wants to give lee-way, but I don't.

Do I just cease to direct kids? Can I teach that way? Do I talk to the teach about it? How do I do so without being annoying? I KNOW that the classroom will run more smoothly if we are on the same page. I know this from childcare. I know it'll be easier for me, but also her and the kids.



Erm.....I know I am coming in late, so may have missed why you cannot do this....but the issue is not with the kids in the situation you describe, it is with the other teacher.


Only having her cease to undermine you sounds like it will work.


There is some problem with dealing with it with her, I presume, since you are not proposing that?
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 10:55 pm
I did mention talking with her about it. The problems are that I am agitated about it and need to think it through before I speak and that she does have to pass me (recommend my licensure).
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 11:05 pm
littlek wrote:
I did mention talking with her about it. The problems are that I am agitated about it and need to think it through before I speak and that she does have to pass me (recommend my licensure).


So you did! I read "teach" as "kids" for some reason.

Is she a reasonable and approachable person?


I would be agitated about it, too! It's tough. An out of control class feels like being mobbed...and then there's The One. (The same One you have discussed elsewhere, I assume?) I recall some idiot teacher telling her out-of-control-anyway class she had their exam results with her, then get me to teach them for the first time, saying they could have their papers after I had finished.

Of course, they mobbed her, to her weak and ineffectual protests, until they got the papers from her. Grrrrrrr....


Could you phrase it around her status with the kids being so firm that you note they are especially unsettled by any differences in policies between you, give a couple of examples of where a difference has emerged, then ask how you can ensure you really understand her rules?


I know going one down sucks, but it sometimes helps.


If she is not way defensive, you might just be able (when you feel calm) point out some examples and speak honestly.


The stuff you describe is very undermining...even if absolutely accidental.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 11:12 pm
Thanks for the recent elucidation. Got it.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 11:20 pm
littleK, I'm not good about teaching, but the situation you describe....

I gotta agree with the rabbit, you are being submarined at all the critical control points.

The "adults" all gotta be on the same page.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 08:49 am
Littlek--

Nasty situation.

By all means, ask for clarification of the rules.

This teacher seems very possessive of her class and her students. This is a very difficult situation for you.
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 09:15 am
Thanks for the feed back, all.

Processing.................
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 09:21 am
ehBeth wrote:
Thomas wrote:
But what works for other teachers won't work for you if it's not your style. And I'm getting the impression that meanness, unfortunately, is not your style at all.


I didn't see it as mean - rather firm and clear and consistent - which is what parents who post on A2K seem to want from their children's teachers. Teaching is a different thing from parenting or babysitting - it's a profession - with goals to be achieved every day.

You're right. Although it sure felt mean to us when it happened. Wink
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Stray Cat
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 10:02 pm
There's one good thing about this, littlek. When you're a "Real Teacher" you'll remember this, and you'll make sure that both you and your student teachers are together on things like bathroom breaks, etc. :wink:
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littlek
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 05:18 pm
Today was the first day of my second take-over week - when I am head teacher. It went very well. This bodes well for the rest of the week. But, we'll see what happens. The subject of not being on the same page came up organically today. Not that we got into it in any depth.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2007 01:40 pm
Littlek--

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Rah! Rah! Rah!
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2007 06:14 pm
Today was not as amazing, but it was still good. Tomorrow they spend 3 hours or so out at specialists and Friday they have 3 tests. So, it's an easy week planning wise.
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littlek
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2007 06:14 pm
Today was not as amazing, but it was still good. Tomorrow they spend 3 hours or so out at specialists and Friday they have 3 tests. So, it's an easy week planning wise.

Thanks for the luck, Noddy!
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 02:50 pm
Littlek--

You made your own luck.
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 04:06 pm
Mmmmm...... I made my own bed, at least.

Day three went well. My lessons aren't as focused and specific as they need to be. But, they're ok. My math review rocks.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 04:08 pm
Yay for rocking math reviews!
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2007 05:00 pm
Yes, that's 2 rockin math reviews!

I'm having a philosophical dilemma about editing. The kids are doing their first big 4th grade writing project and it's 6-7 paragraphs long. It's a biography of someone written as an autobiography. So, one kid is doing Louis Braille. She writes the project as if she were Lousi Braille telling his own story. Anyway, the teacher is editing the hell out of their papers. She's good at it. But, I worry that the end product won't much resemble the original product. And the kids have to present this piece to their peers and parents. Maybe I'll cruise around the other 4th grade classrooms to see what their papers look like.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 08:27 am
What's involved in the editing? Spelling? Punctuation? Grammar? Improving all-over organization?

Do the kids have to make a clean copy of the corrected version?
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:04 pm
The kids (and their parents) type up the final version. The problem I have is how far do I go in editing? At first I was just making the piece make sense. But, the teacher was going all out and rewriting sentences, drawing arrows and asterixes to sequence the sentences in proper order, etc. I felt a little like their writing was getting lost. And, I don't quite see the point of all that teacher ink.
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