Who is editing wikipedia?

Foofie wrote:

Isn't everything we read or hear someone's viewpoint or possibly incorrect, even if it's technical? Is there any media that gives the objective truth?

I tend to agree with this post.

Foofie wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Isn't everything we read or hear someone's viewpoint or possibly incorrect, even if it's technical? Is there any media that gives the objective truth?

I tend to agree with this post.

Well thats good. It would probably be uncomfortable to disagree with yourself.

Pearl Harbor was attacked because the U.S. Navy was blockading Japanese shipping, I thought. So, it was the only thing for Japan to do; attack the U.S. Why was the U.S. blockading Japanese shipping, or the lendlease to Britain? I suspect it was for the benefit of other nations.

The U.S. has been victorious in wars, yet has not vanquished enemies. That's why today Germany is a thriving industrial nation; so is Japan.

It is very hard to respond intelligently to a poster if one doesn't know from where that poster posts (country). It would be nice to know if one is responding to a U.S. citizen, or a citizen of another country.

What I meant in my earlier post, about the number of losses of U.S. military, was that many of these wars the U.S. was sacrificing its own people for the benefit of other nations. Yes, those other nations lost more people, but they had no choice as to whether to be in a war or not. The U.S. joined wars to save other nations, and in effect sacrificed its own people.

The U.S. is the only superpower, and the world should be thankful (grateful is probably the more correct feeling) it is the U.S. and not some other nation with possibly less honorable intentions.

For those that would like the salient point repeated:

The U.S. is the only superpower, and the world should be thankful (grateful is probably the more correct feeling) it is the U.S. and not some other nation with possibly less honorable intentions.

Read the above slowly, without dissecting, or adding comments. Repeat the above ten times before bedtime. Pleasant dreams.

Billy boy had always been large for his age. He was well buff too, working out every day to make sure he retained an imposing physique.

Not that he was the only big guy in school. Hell no. There was Jon and Dave and Zebee too. Boy had they had some fights in the schoolyard! Teeth went a-flying. Some of them were real meanies.

Not that Billy boy was a sissy. He would scrap with the best of em. And a strong will he had too. If he wanted something, he would be sure to get it! Sometimes some of the weaker kids in class would whine that it was theirs or couldn't we talk about it, or thats something for the teacher to decide, or what not. But Billy would have none of that. A right punch at the right time would sort them out.

But he wasnt at all a bad sort, Billy was. He had a good heart really. He meant well. Sure he could get carried away and drag all his friends in some hopeless fight with some guys from a neighbouring school, and a lot of people would get hurt. And sometimes Billy didnt make the best of friends, and he ended up protecting and helping some kid that was loyal to him, but turned out to be cruel and mean. But he did mean well.

And truth be said, there were a lot of good kids that Billy had helped out too. If you had Billy boy on your side, you were pretty sure to fare allright, and since Billy did mean well, overall, if he wasnt in one of his moods, there were a bunch of kids that had gotten Billy's help just when they needed him most. Yeah, he was strong but not a bully - well, most of the time not. Or not always. Whatever - there was no doubt that many a times he had fought for nice guys and helped them out.

It was true that he had the habit of expecting those kids to remain loyal to him, well, pretty much forever. He had helped them out once, so by god, they should darn well stand side by side with him next time he was picking a fight! No matter how stupid a fight they thought it was. Least they could do for him, no?

And so it was and so it went. Billy boy became ever stronger and ever taller. Soon he wouldnt listen to what any teacher was trying to say - it wasnt like they wielded any real power out in the real world, on the schoolyard, anyhow - and anyway, they were hardly without sin either. As for the other kids he'd once scrappled with - Jon and Dave and Zebee too - no way they dared challenge him anymore now - not to his face, anyhow. He was the boss. And if he said so himself, not a bad boss at that!

Sure, there were some mishaps, like the big dog fight he'd been carrying on for some months now with them kids down in the I-Street neighbourhood. That wasnt going too well, and its true, all the nerds had told him from the start it was a bad idea, but what the F, what did they know, they wouldnt be able to defend themselves if a granny attacked them! In the end, they depended on his protection.. and he gave it to them. Cause he was that kind of guy. As long as they didnt make him angry anyhow. And I mean, where else were they going to go? There was only him left, the big dog, anyway!

Yeah, when he looked upon the situation, when Billy boy did, if he said so himself, those kids should be grateful that he was there. He could have been a real meanie. And instead, you know, he wasnt a bad guy. He did mean well, and hadnt he saved their ass those times? Yeah. They should be grateful for him, thats what they should be. The ungrateful dorks.

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Less clearly, but still arguable, America had, ultimately, far less at stake in WWII than did Europe. Even after Pearl Harbor, isolationists made credible arguments that America's best course was to stay out of WWII altogether.

That has to be the funniest excuse I have ever seen as to why the US entered the WW2. They only did it to save others.

You know Finn.. You really do yourself a disservice trying to make that argument. WW2 is the ONE war that Americans actually lost a fair number of soldiers. Not as many as any of the other major players, but talk about rewriting history to claim anyone made a credible argument that had any possibility of being listened to after we were attacked.

Perhaps you could point me to the close vote in the Congress for the declaration of war. I'm sure it must have been a squeaker with such a credible argument being put forward to NOT declare war.

History is a horrible thing....
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It makes it difficult for people to rewrite it. Senate vote 82-0. House vote 388-1[/quote.

I have no clue what your point might be.

If you read my post with an intent other than finding something in which to sink your (dull) fangs you would have noted that I never suggested that America entered these wars solely to save others. Nor did I suggest there was ever a chance that the US would not have responded militarily to Pearl Harbor. The point I made is that credible arguments for not doing so were made and a nation focused solely on it's own interests could have relied upon them.

Clearly America was not interested in conquest. If it was the world would look a lot different than it does today.

This is the incredible blind spot of Liberals with anti-American tendencies(redundant?): No Great Power in history, with the sole exception of America, has not only refrained from sucking in all the spoils of war at its disposal, but actually spent it's own treasure to rebuild (in a better way!), its belligerent enemies.


By the way what is this obscene notion of America losing it's "fair" share of lives?

Fair in what possible sense of the word?

The calculus is the number of American dead as a result of military intercessions which, arguably, favored the interests of others (including those of Humanity) more so than the interests of America.

For those who think I'm wrong, just using arithmetic, count up this country's losses during all the wars we've been in (many for the benefit of others). We've earned our superpower position, and our economic hegemony in the world. Sorry, if that offends anyone.

But I don't see any math in your calculus nor any reference to US losses.

To claim that the US somehow has some ultruistic motives in entering WW2 is bunk. One could easily argue that France and Britian did more to save the world. France, Britian and the US were all attacked. All responded by going to war. France and Britian fought longer, sustained more casualties and more infrastructure losses. Yet somehow you think the US is better than France and Britian or had different motives? Talk about arrogance. Talk about an attempt to skew history to match your overinflated ego. The US has warts. Yes, it is better than some countries but it isn't somehow the best country that has ever been.

By the way what is this obscene notion of America losing it's "fair" share of lives?

Fair in what possible sense of the word?

fair1 Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fair] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, adverb, -er, -est, noun, verb
-adjective 1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.
2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.
3. moderately large; ample: a fair income.

Not that I want to go tit-for-tat on criticism. But, let's just see if the people that criticize my country are living in a country that has a history that is above reproach.

Foofie wrote:

Not that I want to go tit-for-tat on criticism. But, let's just see if the people that criticize my country are living in a country that has a history that is above reproach.

Wouldnt that only have a point if they ever made the claim that their country was above reproach in the first place?

Like, if there'd been anyone from any other country claiming that the world owed it thankfulness and gratitude?

Look, let's have a level playing field, so to speak. I'm a U.S. citizen. I believe my country has more positive traits than supposed negative traits in relation to its foreign involvments.

Naturally, individuals from other countries all don't agree with me. However, if they are comfortable to criticize my country, I think it only fair that I at least know what country they hail from, considering I'm at the receiving end of criticism for my country.

Not that I want to go tit-for-tat on criticism. But, let's just see if the people that criticize my country are living in a country that has a history that is above reproach.

And, that Billy boy metaphor story really doesn't apply to nations. Or, at least add another Billy boy story about the bad Billy boy that wanted to conquer Europe and colonize Eastern Europe with ethnic Billy boys. Now that was a bad Billy boy, until the good Billy boy prevented that.

If you can't state where you are a citizen of, don't respond to my postings. That was my request; you ignored it completely.

We have also done some horrible things.

Foofie wrote:

If you can't state where you are a citizen of, don't respond to my postings. That was my request; you ignored it completely.

parados wrote:

We have also done some horrible things.

If you can't figure out where I live then I see no reason to talk to you either.

Not that I want to go tit-for-tat on criticism. But, let's just see if the people that criticize my country are living in a country that has a history that is above reproach.