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Only Two GOP'ers Have Agreed to YouTube Debate

 
 
HokieBird
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 09:20 am
blatham wrote:
I certainly don't "admit" that CNN has a liberal bias. I do admit that that poll had those results. Perception and truth aren't the same category.


Thank you for providing yet another example of liberal bias. Apparently you are only interested in polls which reveal results that you like....and read about on salon.com.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2782556#2782556

And now, I think we're done. Any compliance by me in providing you further "citations" will only be met with more of the above and is a waste of my time. (The political left avoids evidence like the plague and won't be hot topics for discussion on Air America or salon.com).
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 11:40 am
No problem. But on your way out the door, see if you can muster up the intellectual acuity to differentiate the use of polls to demonstrate voting probabilities as contrasted with the use of polls to demonstrate or prove factual matters.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2007 05:22 pm
Re: Only Two GOP'ers Have Agreed to YouTube Debate
snood wrote:
So, is this another case of "We won't waste time talking to people who won't vote for us"?

Or is it more a case of "We are scared shitless by a more spontaneous format where we might be asked things we aren't willing to talk about"?


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/07/26/but_dont_ask_him_on_youtube_1.html#more


LMAO Snood........ Your second part is correct....they are just scared schitless, period. What wouldn't I give to be the one to select the questions!?!

All the lies, the sex sandals, pResident Dick Cheny, ...... that could be fun watching them squirm. But then we know they would depart with the first question.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 05:48 pm
kuvasz wrote:
Sweet Jesus, if they can't stand up to an average Amerrican citizen questioning them about their policies, how well can they stand up to bin Laden and al queada?


Did you watch the debate? Average American citizens? A lesbian couple and a guy talking through an animated snowman?

I actually think CNN did a fair job in avoiding throwing nothing but softballs at the Dems. Remember, CNN selected the clips to use. I'm pretty sure that there will be no problem with CNN throwing softballs to the Repubs.Quite the contrary. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Repub candidate to suspect that CNN will be throwing high hard cheese at their heads.

I would love to see Repub candidates respond to wild ass accusations, masquerading as questions, but that isn't going to happen. Not because the candidates are afraid of the questions, (Come on! These guys are hardboiled pols.They can shuck and jive with the best the Dems can offer), but because the upside of pleasing me by cutting some jackass to the quick isn't worth the risk of some highly publicized sound byte that makes them look mean or intolerant.

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.

I hope they all agree to it though simply because I believe it will provide unique evidence of the bias of CNN.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 06:02 pm
Quote:

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.


Why? They were submitted by people.

Your partisanship is showing, might want to adjust your skirt a little.

Cycloptichorn
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 06:19 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.


Why? They were submitted by people.

Your partisanship is showing, might want to adjust your skirt a little.

Cycloptichorn


I'm surprised I have to explain this to you (then again...), but the fact that they were submitted by people doesn't mean that the are representative of the collective notions of The People.

I don't know the exact number of the pool CNN had to choose from but it was, comparatively, tiny, and there is no reason to believe that people with the capability and desire to post videos on the internet are perfect examples of the average American Joe or Jane.

It was a clever stunt.That CNN, correctly, believed that they could generate a fair level of buzz by invoking the internet speaks to the growing importance of that medium, but certainly not that UTube is the medium of democracy.

It never ceases to amuse and gratify me when uber-tolerant, feminist Lefties such as yourself revert to form and attempt to ridicule your oppenents with sophomoric taunts ("might want to adjust your skirt") that attempt to challenge their masculinity.

And y'all just keep on doing it! Thank you.
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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 06:37 pm
So what is it that all of the Democratic Party candidates are afraid of???


Quote:
Thursday, 07/26/07

Democratic hopefuls snub Nashville meeting


More. here...

Are they afraid of being labeled "centerists"?
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 06:43 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
Sweet Jesus, if they can't stand up to an average Amerrican citizen questioning them about their policies, how well can they stand up to bin Laden and al queada?


Did you watch the debate? Average American citizens? A lesbian couple and a guy talking through an animated snowman?

I actually think CNN did a fair job in avoiding throwing nothing but softballs at the Dems. Remember, CNN selected the clips to use. I'm pretty sure that there will be no problem with CNN throwing softballs to the Repubs.Quite the contrary. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Repub candidate to suspect that CNN will be throwing high hard cheese at their heads.

I would love to see Repub candidates respond to wild ass accusations, masquerading as questions, but that isn't going to happen. Not because the candidates are afraid of the questions, (Come on! These guys are hardboiled pols.They can shuck and jive with the best the Dems can offer), but because the upside of pleasing me by cutting some jackass to the quick isn't worth the risk of some highly publicized sound byte that makes them look mean or intolerant.

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.

I hope they all agree to it though simply because I believe it will provide unique evidence of the bias of CNN.


so you think that american lesbians and animated snowmen are just too tough for your boys?

that doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 08:02 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.


Why? They were submitted by people.

Your partisanship is showing, might want to adjust your skirt a little.

Cycloptichorn


I'm surprised I have to explain this to you (then again...), but the fact that they were submitted by people doesn't mean that the are representative of the collective notions of The People.

I don't know the exact number of the pool CNN had to choose from but it was, comparatively, tiny, and there is no reason to believe that people with the capability and desire to post videos on the internet are perfect examples of the average American Joe or Jane.

It was a clever stunt.That CNN, correctly, believed that they could generate a fair level of buzz by invoking the internet speaks to the growing importance of that medium, but certainly not that UTube is the medium of democracy.

It never ceases to amuse and gratify me when uber-tolerant, feminist Lefties such as yourself revert to form and attempt to ridicule your oppenents with sophomoric taunts ("might want to adjust your skirt") that attempt to challenge their masculinity.

And y'all just keep on doing it! Thank you.


Theoretically, nothing can possibly represent 'the voice of the people.' Posing questions asked by people, but selected by CNN, is really no different then posing questions asked by CNN. But it does add another element to the equation, in that there are certain arguments which have more emotional impact coming from an actual citizen, who took his time to record a question, then they would coming out of the mouth of Blitzer or Cooper.

Those who are unaffected by insult rarely bother to respond to them, Finn. You aren't fooling anyone. And, who said I'm a feminist? I really think you sound like a whining little b*tch, and that's why I wrote what I did. Oooh, the bias of CNN, REVEAL IT, Republican candidates!!!! You guys crack me up.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 08:04 pm
fishin wrote:
So what is it that all of the Democratic Party candidates are afraid of???


Quote:
Thursday, 07/26/07

Democratic hopefuls snub Nashville meeting


More. here...

Are they afraid of being labeled "centerists"?

Be sure to let us know when the GOP candidates attend the Republican Leadership Council meeting... Oh, wait.. they aren't going to attend that meeting.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 08:10 pm
fishin wrote:
So what is it that all of the Democratic Party candidates are afraid of???


Quote:
Thursday, 07/26/07

Democratic hopefuls snub Nashville meeting


More. here...

Are they afraid of being labeled "centerists"?


Afraid? They aren't afraid of being Liberal any longer. You can blame your boy Bush for that little failure. There's no need for Centrism if you can win with the ideas you'd rather see put in place, and truthfully, Republican-lite is no way to run a party.

The center is moving left - thanks more to Republican f*ckups then Dem achievements...

Cycloptichorn
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fishin
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 08:15 pm
parados wrote:
Be sure to let us know when the GOP candidates attend the Republican Leadership Council meeting... Oh, wait.. they aren't going to attend that meeting.


You didn't bother to look up what the RLC is before you shot your mouth off and made yourself look like a fool did you?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2007 09:44 pm
fishin

I gather you are advancing this 'analogy' as a check on wild assumptions regarding why the Republican candidates would (at least, so far) not all agree to the CNN format. Am I reading you correctly?
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2007 04:47 am
blatham wrote:
fishin

I gather you are advancing this 'analogy' as a check on wild assumptions regarding why the Republican candidates would (at least, so far) not all agree to the CNN format. Am I reading you correctly?


Partily.

Cyclo's "The center is moving left" comment is, IMO, probbaly correct - for now. As the article itself states, this is just a temporary thing to appeal to different left-leaning factions to get through the primaries.

Snood has now started two of these threads - this one and the one about the NAACP cpnvention and I would suggest that neither the "YouTube generation" nor NAACP members are the Republican "base" that they'd be pandering to during the primary season.

The objective of the candidates (from both sides) at this point in the silly season isn't to create a broad appeal to all voters. That comes after the primaries begin and the field starts to narroiw.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2007 06:58 am
fishin wrote:
parados wrote:
Be sure to let us know when the GOP candidates attend the Republican Leadership Council meeting... Oh, wait.. they aren't going to attend that meeting.


You didn't bother to look up what the RLC is before you shot your mouth off and made yourself look like a fool did you?

Of course I looked up the RLC.. Did you bother to look up the DLC?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2007 08:59 am
fishin wrote:
blatham wrote:
fishin

I gather you are advancing this 'analogy' as a check on wild assumptions regarding why the Republican candidates would (at least, so far) not all agree to the CNN format. Am I reading you correctly?


Partily.

Cyclo's "The center is moving left" comment is, IMO, probbaly correct - for now. As the article itself states, this is just a temporary thing to appeal to different left-leaning factions to get through the primaries.

Snood has now started two of these threads - this one and the one about the NAACP cpnvention and I would suggest that neither the "YouTube generation" nor NAACP members are the Republican "base" that they'd be pandering to during the primary season.

The objective of the candidates (from both sides) at this point in the silly season isn't to create a broad appeal to all voters. That comes after the primaries begin and the field starts to narroiw.


fishin

As I said earlier, this decision, if it holds, is confusing to me. But I think your notion is a good one as regards why they might opt in that direction.

Still, if I was advising them, I'd certainly suggest that it's a wrong decision. Pretty much every indicator suggest that the electorate is moving left (the last election being perhaps the most convincing). I think that the more the Republican candidates, particularly if en masse, do the strident base-appeal presentations, the more they will do precisely what will help the Dems in the general election. Take a look at Lunz here and note how the situation has turned upsidedown... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/interviews/luntz.html

Some folks point to the low approval ratings for Congress presently as a hopeful sign for the Repubs next election. But there's another unmentioned aspect to that... the 'simplicity' of evaluating/regarding an individual versus a large dimorphous group. One can imagine the polling results in Elizabethan England if the public had been surveyed and asked, "Who do you like better, Her Majesty Elizabeth or... her cabinet and courtiers and assassins?"
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2007 02:36 pm
blatham wrote:
As I said earlier, this decision, if it holds, is confusing to me. But I think your notion is a good one as regards why they might opt in that direction.

Still, if I was advising them, I'd certainly suggest that it's a wrong decision. Pretty much every indicator suggest that the electorate is moving left (the last election being perhaps the most convincing). I think that the more the Republican candidates, particularly if en masse, do the strident base-appeal presentations, the more they will do precisely what will help the Dems in the general election. Take a look at Lunz here and note how the situation has turned upsidedown... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/interviews/luntz.html


It may very well, as you say, help the Dems in the general election. But that isn't their focus at this point. They have to win the primaries first to still be around for the general election cycle.

Who are the Reps pandering to at this point? If the typical profiles hold then the people who will vote in their primaries are white males over age 35 who are married with a stay-at-home wife, have children and earn $50k+/year. They have at least some college or a 4-year college degree, work in a non-union job, live in the suburbs or in a rural area and go to church on Sunday. And the older or more religious the population, the more likely they are to vote in the Rep primaries.

By and large these are not the sort of people that embrace the Internet for much more than their news and e-mail (and perhaps late night sessions downloading porn! Razz ). YouTube is, IMO, what someone in this profile would consider "silly" and/or "a waste of time". Rightly or wrongly, it is perceived as an outlet for teens and early 20-somethings to post goofy video clips making fools of themselves trying to emulate "America's Funniest Home Videos". That isn't the image the Rep candidates want to project to their primary voters.

The younger, urban and/or single voters that are more likely to see Youtube as fun or hip are going to vote in the Dem primaries.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2007 05:32 pm
kuvasz wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
kuvasz wrote:
Sweet Jesus, if they can't stand up to an average Amerrican citizen questioning them about their policies, how well can they stand up to bin Laden and al queada?


Did you watch the debate? Average American citizens? A lesbian couple and a guy talking through an animated snowman?

I actually think CNN did a fair job in avoiding throwing nothing but softballs at the Dems. Remember, CNN selected the clips to use. I'm pretty sure that there will be no problem with CNN throwing softballs to the Repubs.Quite the contrary. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Repub candidate to suspect that CNN will be throwing high hard cheese at their heads.

I would love to see Repub candidates respond to wild ass accusations, masquerading as questions, but that isn't going to happen. Not because the candidates are afraid of the questions, (Come on! These guys are hardboiled pols.They can shuck and jive with the best the Dems can offer), but because the upside of pleasing me by cutting some jackass to the quick isn't worth the risk of some highly publicized sound byte that makes them look mean or intolerant.

The notion that these UTube questions represent the voice of the people is ridiculous.

I hope they all agree to it though simply because I believe it will provide unique evidence of the bias of CNN.


so you think that american lesbians and animated snowmen are just too tough for your boys?

that doesn't surprise me in the least.


And here I thought a Kuvie/Finn detante might be possible. Silly me. How can Kuvie maintain his image as the Lefty Cruise Missle without countering Finn on an ad hominem basis?

Actually, you're slipping.

To suggest (as I did) that lesbians and animated snowman are hardly "average Americans," is a far far cry from asserting they are "too tough." (Whatever the hell that means).

But, clearly, logic and reason has no influence on the Kuvie rant. Instead, it's all about The Bile.

Partisan assasin---fine. There is certainly room within A2K for such characters. Trouble is that this is all shite, and if it were not, your flawed efforts at whacking someone on the Right would have left you stone cold dead. You're just not good enough.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2007 07:15 pm
fishin wrote:
blatham wrote:
As I said earlier, this decision, if it holds, is confusing to me. But I think your notion is a good one as regards why they might opt in that direction.

Still, if I was advising them, I'd certainly suggest that it's a wrong decision. Pretty much every indicator suggest that the electorate is moving left (the last election being perhaps the most convincing). I think that the more the Republican candidates, particularly if en masse, do the strident base-appeal presentations, the more they will do precisely what will help the Dems in the general election. Take a look at Lunz here and note how the situation has turned upsidedown... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/interviews/luntz.html


It may very well, as you say, help the Dems in the general election. But that isn't their focus at this point. They have to win the primaries first to still be around for the general election cycle.

Who are the Reps pandering to at this point? If the typical profiles hold then the people who will vote in their primaries are white males over age 35 who are married with a stay-at-home wife, have children and earn $50k+/year. They have at least some college or a 4-year college degree, work in a non-union job, live in the suburbs or in a rural area and go to church on Sunday. And the older or more religious the population, the more likely they are to vote in the Rep primaries.

By and large these are not the sort of people that embrace the Internet for much more than their news and e-mail (and perhaps late night sessions downloading porn! Razz ). YouTube is, IMO, what someone in this profile would consider "silly" and/or "a waste of time". Rightly or wrongly, it is perceived as an outlet for teens and early 20-somethings to post goofy video clips making fools of themselves trying to emulate "America's Funniest Home Videos". That isn't the image the Rep candidates want to project to their primary voters.

The younger, urban and/or single voters that are more likely to see Youtube as fun or hip are going to vote in the Dem primaries.


Something like that might well be the thinking. But again, I'd argue that it is short sighted (therefore a happy thing from my perspective.) People tend (I can't recall the percentage but it's very high) to continue voting for the party they initially vote for...and young people are voting Dem by substantial margins. And I think that Luntz has some things right and though it's hard to determine what degree of deleterious consequence might follow, some will.

And if you are correct (re what the base/primary voters think important/good/bad) if all the Repub candidates get on board, none of them will stand out as derogatable.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2007 08:01 pm
Finn de barking beagle wrote:


And here I thought a Kuvie/Finn detante might be possible. Silly me. How can Kuvie maintain his image as the Lefty Cruise Missle without countering Finn on an ad hominem basis?

Actually, you're slipping.

To suggest (as I did) that lesbians and animated snowman are hardly "average Americans," is a far far cry from asserting they are "too tough." (Whatever the hell that means).

But, clearly, logic and reason has no influence on the Kuvie rant. Instead, it's all about The Bile.

Partisan assasin---fine. There is certainly room within A2K for such characters. Trouble is that this is all shite, and if it were not, your flawed efforts at whacking someone on the Right would have left you stone cold dead. You're just not good enough.


Oh dear, sounds like penis envy from you again young man, or is it yet another anguished cry from the sensitive Right Wing about their victimhood? Cry me a river. Your partisanship precedes you like the odor of a pile of horse excrement. A practicing whore crying rape wouldn't be funnier than you crying foul.

You can make all the loopy, hand-waving, tooth sucking excuses you want about your buddies but the fact remains, like George Bush before them the Republican candidates are congenital liars, whose bunkum could not bear critical examination from average American people, lesbians, albino dwarfs, and one-armed animators included. Yet, you lap up their mendacity like a dog licks up its own vomit and bark for more.

As you continue in your quest for public humiliation your own ad hominum and strawman arguments show an almost fanatical attachment and blind devotion to those who stimulate the worst in human nature, and perhaps where you see it proudly as the source of all your virtue and strength, I see it as delusional and dangerous to rational human beings.

If you want détente, grow a brain. I've given up on you having a soul.
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