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General Petraeus on the conditions on the ground in Iraq

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:43 am
I found something interesting from the "New Republic", the leberal magazine.

They are embroiled in a controversy about a person claiming to be a soldier in Iraq writing about things he has witnessed.

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/234736.php

Now,here is what the New Republic has to say...

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the_plank?pid=128957

First of all,according to the DoD public info website, there is NO Scott Thomas Beauchamp in the US army right now.

I do have to wonder how many of you on the left have allowed yourself to be conned by this person.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:48 am
Rolling Eyes
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:50 am
from the TNR article you linked to, mysteryman:

Quote:
A STATEMENT FROM SCOTT THOMAS BEAUCHAMP:

As we've noted in this space, some have questioned details that appeared in the Diarist "Shock Troops," published under the pseudonym Scott Thomas. According to Major Kirk Luedeke, a public affairs officer at Forward Operating Base Falcon, a formal military investigation has also been launched into the incidents described in the piece.


(emphasis added)


So. Uhm. If it's a pseudonym, wouldn't it be rather unlikely that the name was to be found on the DoD website?

Just wondering...
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 09:57 am
old europe wrote:
from the TNR article you linked to, mysteryman:

Quote:
A STATEMENT FROM SCOTT THOMAS BEAUCHAMP:

As we've noted in this space, some have questioned details that appeared in the Diarist "Shock Troops," published under the pseudonym Scott Thomas. According to Major Kirk Luedeke, a public affairs officer at Forward Operating Base Falcon, a formal military investigation has also been launched into the incidents described in the piece.


(emphasis added)


So. Uhm. If it's a pseudonym, wouldn't it be rather unlikely that the name was to be found on the DoD website?

Just wondering...


I would agree,except for this part...

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the_plank?pid=128957

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My Diarist, "Shock Troops," and the two other pieces I wrote for the New Republic have stirred more controversy than I could ever have anticipated. They were written under a pseudonym, because I wanted to write honestly about my experiences, without fear of reprisal. Unfortunately, my pseudonym has caused confusion. And there seems to be one major way in which I can clarify the debate over my pieces: I'm willing to stand by the entirety of my articles for the New Republic using my real name.

I am Private Scott Thomas Beauchamp, a member of Alpha Company, 1/18 Infantry, Second Brigade Combat Team, First Infantry Division.

My pieces were always intended to provide my discreet view of the war; they were never intended as a reflection of the entire U.S. Military. I wanted Americans to have one soldier's view of events in Iraq.

It's been maddening, to say the least, to see the plausibility of events that I witnessed questioned by people who have never served in Iraq. I was initially reluctant to take the time out of my already insane schedule fighting an actual war in order to play some role in an ideological battle that I never wanted to join. That being said, my character, my experiences, and those of my comrades in arms have been called into question, and I believe that it is important to stand by my writing under my real name.

--Private Scott Thomas Beauchamp


So here we have this "soldier" using his real name.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:00 am
I am curious where you found a list of everyone presently serving in the military on the DoD website MM.. perhaps you could enlighten us where that is.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:03 am
From http://op-for.com/

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validated by this email from Michelle Malkin's blog:

I'm active Army & an Iraq vet.

I just pulled up "Scott Thomas Beauchamp" on the secure "Army Knowledge Online" website. It lists his current rank as "PV2″. (That data is kept accurate via pay records on that website.)

In his Sep 06 blog post he listed his rank as "Private First Class". That indicates that without a doubt he was busted at least one rank as part of Article 15 proceedings under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and he likely has a strong ax to grind with his chain of command.


Here's the thing about milbloggers. We're usually right about this stuff.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:04 am
mysteryman wrote:
So here we have this "soldier" using his real name.


Good point.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:06 am
Can't you go on the AKO white pages and check the information, mysteryman?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:08 am
This isn't the first time that the Right-wing Nutosphere has made this mistake. Remember the whole Jamal Hussein ordeal?

It's never enough with these guys to demand proof, or to merely question someone's account. No, they always have to over-reach, insist that people don't exist, that they must be lying. It's crazy.

I totally believe the stories he had to tell, for two reasons: First, I've talked with many Iraq/Afghanistan vets who have talked about similar incidents, including a few of my old high school friends. Second, I've known military folk my whole life, and they certainly aren't immune to doing the stupid and insulting things that other young men and women do on a regular basis.

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:13 am
This is from ehBeth's link:

Quote:
It was never about whether or not Thomas was a soldier. Most of us were "nearly certain" he was. It was the stories that smelled, not Thomas' identity. And those stories still need to be verified. This is the same way that the AP skated on Jamil Hussein, they were able to shift the debate away from Hussein's reports and onto whether or not he was an Iraqi police officer.



So they seem to be sure that he does exist, and is in fact a soldier, but are now questioning his accounts...?

Hm.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:16 am
From The Corner:

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Scott Thomas, Where Are You? [John Podhoretz]

It has now been six days since the first doubts about the veracity of the New Republic diarist written by the pseudonymous Scott Thomas were raised in the blogosphere. The magazine is evidently still conducting its investigation. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that if what's in there is in any way true, TNR would know it by now. Or maybe TNR is just too busy getting the New York Times to change its copy around multiple times on the question of the epistemological certainty of Editor Franklin Foer's knowledge of whether Scott Thomas is actually a soldier.


There was a question that he was a soldier. They are trying to re-write history now that they've been proven to be incorrect, again.

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 10:28 am
I dont believe that he is a soldier,but even if he is,what he writes cant happen.
He describes doing things with a Bradley fighting Vehicle that it cannot do.
He describes another soldier wearing a piece of a rotting childs skull UNDER his own helmet.
That isnt possible because the helmet is so close fitting.
He describes being worried about changing a tire in a cesspool.
That leaves us with HMMWVs (Humvees) and eight-wheeled Stryker Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICVs) as the two most-common wheeled vehicles used on patrols. Both of these vehicles classes are equipped with run-flat tires designed to go for miles before needing to be changed. That intentional design detail engendered into both vehicles would make changing a tire in a river of "reeking fluids" a very unlikely event.

He also talks abourt picking up a nine millimeter shell with a "square back".
Since there is NO small arms ammunition in the world with a square back,this means that he is lying about that.

So,I dont believe that this person is a soldier,and I KNOW he has no idea about military equipment or weapons.

Here are links to this persons stories,and thats exactly what they are.
Not very good fiction...

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20070723&s=diarist072307

https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=20070205&s=diarist020507

https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=20070604&s=thomas060407

The last 2 links require subscriptions to read,
but if you want I will copy and paste them for your reading pleasure.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:21 am
Well MM.. it seems you lied about him not being in the military database.

Now we should just let you skate on that lie and move on to your next round of making up stuff?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:25 am
parados wrote:
Well MM.. it seems you lied about him not being in the military database.

Now we should just let you skate on that lie and move on to your next round of making up stuff?


I did not lie.
I did not find his name when I did a quick look.
There is a difference.
IF this person actually is in the military,then I will admit I was wrong.

Now,are you willing to address the things that he says happened that could NOT have happened,either because the things he mentioned dont exist or are not physically possible?

I will be glad to post the articles he wrote and let you try and defend obvious lies,like when he claims that someone picked up a 9 millimeter round with a "square back" that he claims came from a Glock?
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:26 am
So ,what do you think he described that a Bradley can't do MM?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:26 am
Quote:

Now,are you willing to address the things that he says happened that could NOT have happened,either because the things he mentioned dont exist or are not physically possible?


It is possible that he was mistaken about some details, but that no more means that the things 'couldn't' have happened, then your failure to find him in the DoD database means you were lying.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:35 am
MM, Keep in mind that the guy represents everything people like Cycloptichorn want to believe and nothing you say with influence that a bit. They will excuse, reconsider, theorize and admire everything about him.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:36 am
mysteryman wrote:
parados wrote:
Well MM.. it seems you lied about him not being in the military database.

Now we should just let you skate on that lie and move on to your next round of making up stuff?


I did not lie.
I did not find his name when I did a quick look.
There is a difference.
IF this person actually is in the military,then I will admit I was wrong.
Yeah, the difference is you didn't do any due diligence before claiming something didn't exist that did.

Quote:

Now,are you willing to address the things that he says happened that could NOT have happened,either because the things he mentioned dont exist or are not physically possible?
I am curious how you think soldiers get their helmets on and off MM. It is entirely possible to put something on top of your head and pull the helmet on over the top of it. The helmet might not fit well and might be uncomfortable but to claim he can't do it is to deny reality. It was a small portion of the skull, I doubt it was more than 1/4" thick and the person that did it said he would have to pick bone out of his scalp meaning the helmet pushed the skull portion tighter against his own head. Not impossible at all. Again, you have presented an argument that it was "impossible' while in reality it is not only possible but probable that it could be done.
Quote:

I will be glad to post the articles he wrote and let you try and defend obvious lies,like when he claims that someone picked up a 9 millimeter round with a "square back" that he claims came from a Glock?
Please do post them. I will be happy to see what was "impossible" and what you just don't want to believe no matter what the reality is.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:38 am
McGentrix wrote:
MM, Keep in mind that the guy represents everything people like Cycloptichorn want to believe and nothing you say with influence that a bit. They will excuse, reconsider, theorize and admire everything about him.


Sort of like you and petraeus?

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 11:39 am
parados wrote:
So ,what do you think he described that a Bradley can't do MM?


Here is what he wrote about how a BFV was used to kill dogs...
Quote:
I know another private who really only enjoyed driving Bradley Fighting Vehicles because it gave him the opportunity to run things over. He took out curbs, concrete barriers, corners of buildings, stands in the market, and his favorite target: dogs. Occasionally, the brave ones would chase the Bradleys, barking at them like they bark at trash trucks in America--providing him with the perfect opportunity to suddenly swerve and catch a leg or a tail in the vehicle's tracks. He kept a tally of his kills in a little green notebook that sat on the dashboard of the driver's hatch. One particular day, he killed three dogs. He slowed the Bradley down to lure the first kill in, and, as the diesel engine grew quieter, the dog walked close enough for him to jerk the machine hard to the right and snag its leg under the tracks


Soldiers and military vehicle specialists intimately familiar with Bradley IFVs have flatly stated that these vehicles cannot be driven as described in Thomas' account due to their construction and the limitations of the laws of physics.


Now,here is how the army describes a BFV...
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m2.htm

A BFV CANNOT go over concrete barriers,it would get hung up.
It Cant be used to knock down corners of buildings because of where and how its weapons are located and because of where the drivers obsdervation port is.
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