I'm crying.
I came in here to see if any conservatives would be arguing in favor or "the constitutional (aka nuclear) option" but found an extremely amusing bar brawl.
FreeDuck wrote: I'm crying.
I came in here to see if any conservatives would be arguing in favor or "the constitutional (aka nuclear) option" but found an extremely amusing bar brawl.
I'm glad you happened along.... this brawling is thirsty work... be a good girl and fetch us all a beer would ya? Thanks sweetheart.
(gives freeduck an affectionate pat on the behind)
The "nuclear option" is not a constitutional matter--it depends upon the rules of the Senate, and entails moving a point of order, which can be settled on a straight majority vote, getting around the required three-fifths for a cloture vote.
Don't look for anything that dramatic, though--the Democrats intend to keep pulling this on the Republicans to keep them dancing and embarrassed when they go in front of their respective constituencies. It is far more valuable as a tactical move to simply bring it up again and again--both to embarrass Republicans, and to attempt to separate the moderate Republicans from the rest of the herd.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:FreeDuck wrote: I'm crying.
I came in here to see if any conservatives would be arguing in favor or "the constitutional (aka nuclear) option" but found an extremely amusing bar brawl.
I'm glad you happened along.... this brawling is thirsty work... be a good girl and fetch us all a beer would ya? Thanks sweetheart.
(gives freeduck an affectionate pat on the behind)
(pops Bear in the head with empty beer bottle)
I know, I know, Set. I was just making a stab in the hypocrite direction, if you know what I mean.
That's a pretty wide ranging field you're shooting at there, Miss Duck.
Exactly -- increases my odds of hitting something.
(Mighty Uranus, I'm still crying...)
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:another armchair warrior bows up from the safety of his keyboard....
So,are you saying that only those that have served in Iraq have the right to comment on the war,or that only those that have served in Iraq have the right to support the war?
ebrown said...
Quote:The Democrats are calling for an "up or down vote" (this term sounds strangely familiar). They want a simple majority.
They may want a simple majority,but the Senate rules call for 60 votes for cloture.
The repubs wanted to invoke cloture once with a simple majority,and the dems demanded 60 votes,now its the dems turn to get forced to follow the rules.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/powers.htm
Quote:Filibuster and Cloture
The Senate has a long history of using the filibuster -- a term dating back to the 1850s in the United States -- to delay debate or block legislation. Unlimited debate remained in place in the Senate until 1917, when the Senate adopted Rule 22 that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote -- a tactic known as "cloture." In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds (67) to three-fifths (60) of the 100-member Senate.
So,a simple majority is against the rules,and now the dems dont seem to like having to play by the rules.
As Set pointed out, the dems are just find playing with the rules. It eliminates political cover for GOP Senators in upcoming elections.
mysteryman wrote:Bi-Polar Bear wrote:another armchair warrior bows up from the safety of his keyboard....
So,are you saying that only those that have served in Iraq have the right to comment on the war,or that only those that have served in Iraq have the right to support the war?
So you are saying your only argument is creating a strawman since that isn't even close to what BPB said.
I don't see you commenting on cj's claim "he served" by having a paid job at a private company state side.
We all know the rules, Mysteryman. The Republicans have every right to use the filibuster to keep the war going.
It's the politics of the thing.
The American people want the war to end... and the Republicans are filibustering an increasing majority of Americans (who are getting more and more frustrated).
This combined with the fact the Republicans whined when the Democrats used the filibuster makes them look rather pathetic now.
I was just thinking.
A Democratic supermajority in the Senate in 2009 would be a wonderful thing...
Yeah, if you were a retarded chimp.
"I'm Tired"
BY: Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq, I
was forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained
prior to my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq to finish my tour.
I left Baghdad , and a war that has every indication that we are
winning, to return to a demoralized country much like the one I returned
to in 1971 after my tour in Vietnam . Maybe it's because I'll turn 60
years old in just four months, but I'm tired:
I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican,
who lack the courage, fortitude and character to see these difficult tasks
through.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite
history when the going gets tough.
I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they
'Support the Troops' by wanting them to 'Cut and Run' before victory is
achieved.
I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and
casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their
hotels to report on the courage and success our brave men and women are
having on the battlefield.
I'm tired that so many Americans think you can rebuild a
dictatorship into a democracy overnight.
I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go
to the voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent
Parliament.
I'm tired of the so called 'Elite Left' that prolongs this war by
giving aid and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam
War.
I'm tired of antiwar protesters showing up at the funerals of our
fallen soldiers, a family whose loved ones gave their life in a just and
noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly
protesters is beyond shameful.
I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom -- Vietnam generation,
who have such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult
tasks through to victory.
I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of
captives than they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and
allies.
I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the
press, but mistreat a prisoner and it is front-page news.
Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn
from history that there is no substitute for victory.
Sincerely,
Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
parados wrote:
I don't see you commenting on cj's claim "he served" by having a paid job at a private company state side.
Never, ever said such a thing. Nope.
The liberal spinshit won't work any more.
Quote:this is all a waste of time and I'm divorcing myself from concern. It's like worrying about losing more of my hair. What's the point.
Sadly you got a point but it made me laugh.
cjhsa wrote:parados wrote:
I don't see you commenting on cj's claim "he served" by having a paid job at a private company state side.
Never, ever said such a thing. Nope.
The liberal spinshit won't work any more.
The liberal spin##it works a heck of a lot better than anything thats been tried in the last six years. Where are we today in our war doing everything the neocon way?
cjhsa wrote:Yeah, if you were a retarded chimp.
"I'm Tired"
BY: Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of duty in Iraq, I
was forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury I sustained
prior to my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq to finish my tour.
I left Baghdad , and a war that has every indication that we are
winning, to return to a demoralized country much like the one I returned
to in 1971 after my tour in Vietnam . Maybe it's because I'll turn 60
years old in just four months, but I'm tired:
I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and Republican,
who lack the courage, fortitude and character to see these difficult tasks
through.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to rewrite
history when the going gets tough.
I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that claim they
'Support the Troops' by wanting them to 'Cut and Run' before victory is
achieved.
I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on car bombs and
casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave the safety of their
hotels to report on the courage and success our brave men and women are
having on the battlefield.
I'm tired that so many Americans think you can rebuild a
dictatorship into a democracy overnight.
I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi people to go
to the voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon a permanent
Parliament.
I'm tired of the so called 'Elite Left' that prolongs this war by
giving aid and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the Vietnam
War.
I'm tired of antiwar protesters showing up at the funerals of our
fallen soldiers, a family whose loved ones gave their life in a just and
noble cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day by cowardly
protesters is beyond shameful.
I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom -- Vietnam generation,
who have such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing the difficult
tasks through to victory.
I'm tired that some are more concerned about the treatment of
captives than they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens and
allies.
I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom reported by the
press, but mistreat a prisoner and it is front-page news.
Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation didn't learn
from history that there is no substitute for victory.
Sincerely,
Joe Repya, Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
Funny thing about Joe Repya and this email from 2005... He isn't in Iraq either. He is presently retired from the military and didn't re-up. Maybe Repya is tired of the Iraqi parliament that hasn't done what it was supposed to do. Or maybe Repya is too busy promoting himself to bother with conitnuing in the military.
Parados, do you have that "sit & spin" permanently inserted in your a--?
Well, CJ,
The Democrats with an increasing majority of Americans behind them, have stopped going along with the Republican plans for a continued war with no defined end. They are now standing up to Republican obstructionism with all night debates and an insistance an up or down vote on an amendment to end the war.
The Democrats, with an apparent newfound spine, are no longer cutting and running....
... we both can be happy about that.
((BTW hearing you make reference to the retarded chimp is amusing))
You mean the Dumbocrats. Please spell it right.
