How Should a Christian Act?

Queen Annie,

Yes. I am offended by the statement that there "was a goodly participation by a certain class of Jews, as well. Those of the banker families."

I don't think it was "goodly" or by a certain class. I don'tlike that you even thought to say it, as if even if there WERE people desperate enough to sell out neighbors, that they were ANYWHERE comparable to the inhumane animals who thought the thing up and perpetrated it.

To lump them in so blithely pisses me off, truthfully.

"[Ben-Gurion stated] 'If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second - because we face not only the reckoning of those children, but the historical reckoning of the Jewish people.' In the wake of the Kristallnacht pogroms, Ben-Gurion commented that 'the human conscience' might bring various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany. He saw this as a threat and warned: 'Zionism is in danger.'" Israeli historian, Tom Segev, "The Seventh Million."

"Zionists in America...took the same position. At a May 1943 meeting of the American Emergency Committee for Zionist Affairs, Nahum Goldmann argued, 'If a drive is opened against the White Paper (the British policy of restricting Jewish immigrants to Palestine) the mass meetings of protest against the murder of European Jewry will have to be dropped. We do not have sufficient manpower for both campaigns.'" Peter Novick, "The Holocaust in American Life."

The holocaust was perpetrated by nominal Lutherans and Catholics, mostly -

Not Christians - and certainly not by Jesus.

So, the Holocaust was really the fault of those dirty Jewish Zionists, eh? They had it coming, didn't they?

You're not for or against the Holocaust (any part of what mess)?

The fact that shouldn't be minced around is you espouse racist sentiments against Jews.

Zionism is a political movement and an ideology that supports a Jewish homeland in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed at various times in history. While Zionism is based heavily upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in late 19th century Europe.

The Zionist movement acquired British and League of Nations sponsorship after World War I, resulting in the creation of the British Mandate of Palestine, which specifically called for "placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home." After an often tumultuous Mandate period, and after the Holocaust had destroyed Jewish society in Europe, the Zionist movement culminated in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.

Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term Zionism has come generally to mean support for Israel. However, a variety of different, and sometimes competing, ideologies that support Israel fit under the general category of Zionism, such as Religious Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, and Labour Zionism. Thus, the term is also sometimes used to refer specifically to the programs of these ideologies, such as efforts to encourage Jewish immigration to Israel. The term Zionism is also sometimes used retroactively to describe the millennia-old Biblical connection between the Jewish people and the Land of Israel, which existed long before the birth of the modern Zionist movement. The label Zionist is also used improperly as a euphemism for Jews in general by those wishing to white-wash anti-Semitism (as in the Polish anti-Zionist campaign).

Lash wrote:

So, the Holocaust was really the fault of those dirty Jewish Zionists, eh? They had it coming, didn't they?

I would ask that you don't put words in my mouth--especially ones that
I would NEVER say, myself. I said Zionist. The other words are yours, not mine.

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You're not for or against the Holocaust (any part of what mess)?

What I meant by that was that I'm not blaming or justifying anyone. Just pointing out that there was a lot more to it than is taught on the surface. What happened, happened. I can't change it, no one can. But ignorance of the mechanisms which led to such a horrible time in history can only lead to it being potentially repeated.

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The fact that shouldn't be minced around is you espouse racist sentiments against Jews.

You don't get it, do you? I didn't say anything against Jews in general. I didn't say anything against anyone's race. Zionist is not a racist tag, nor is it one limited to people of any certain race. Ever heard of Christian Zionists? The term Zionist refers to an agenda, and is a term I did not come up with, anymore than I did 'christian.'
Please, do some research and quit casting aspersions on my character.

This isn't the first time someone has tried to put blame on Jews for the Holocaust. They can call it Zionists, "banker Jews", kapos...

I can't tell you how deeply outraged I am that people who purport to be civilized, and even call themselves Christians, hate a race of people so much to try to blame them for unspeakable atrocities committed against them.

I doubt there is a soul here who doesn't know the meaning of "Zionist." I also doubt there's a soul here who doesn't see through your facade.

Lash wrote:

I doubt there is a soul here who doesn't know the meaning of "Zionist." I also doubt there's a soul here who doesn't see through your facade.

You brought me into this with your above statement.
Do you assume to know how I, queen annie, or others feel about the word "Zionist"?
Do you assume that everyone shares your opinions and agrees with your intimidation tactics?
Tell me, what do you find when you see through queenie's "facade"?