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Do government agencies need to be armed?

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 01:28 pm
@maxdancona,
The very people who claim that citizens shouldn't have guns, have no problems with the govt having guns. Never any mention of taking guns from the govt, just taking them from citizens.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 01:33 pm
@maxdancona,
No one has stated "The Government needs to arm all of it's agents!"

However, plenty of people have strenuously challenged the argument that the Government is arming far to many of it's agents and offering specious arguments as to why mundane department employees should be armed.

Our government has been buying up unprecedented amounts of ammunition, for non-military use, and arming employees who are not remotely part of the criminal justice system. You can choose to see this as no big deal or alarming.

It's really not surprising that you have chosen the former, nor would it be surprising if you chose the latter had a Republican been president over the last six years.

Most folks base their present opinions on what the leaders of their political tribe is promoting, but I would argue (and you are perfectly welcome to argue otherwise) that conservatives have a far better track record in sticking to principle, in this regard, than liberals. Or maybe it just come done to that conservative principles are, overall, superior to liberal ones.

I don't care what the party affiliation of any president may be, this specific issue is alarming, and the expansion of government is bad.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 01:50 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
However, plenty of people have strenuously challenged the argument that the Government is arming far to many of it's agents and offering specious arguments as to why mundane department employees should be armed.

What "mundane department employees" are armed? Armed agents are not mundane department employees. let's see evidence to support your claim they are "mundane".
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 01:53 pm
@Baldimo,
Armed agents go through an FBI background check which is much more than armed citizens have to go through.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 01:55 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Armed agents are not mundane department employees.


Prove it shill.
Let's see how the agents armed are selected and by who.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:00 pm
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What Does the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Need with 96 Armed Agents?


Good question.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/04/06/what-does-the-national-oceanic-and-atmospheric-administration-need-with-96-armed-agents/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:08 pm
@parados,
WRONG again Parados. When you purchase a gun you go through a national background check. You want to try that again?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:18 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
What Does the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Need with 96 Armed Agents?


Good question.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/04/06/what-does-the-national-oceanic-and-atmospheric-administration-need-with-96-armed-agents/


Good article there.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:23 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

WRONG again Parados. When you purchase a gun you go through a national background check. You want to try that again?


The FBI doesn't conduct a background check when you purchase a gun. Do you have any idea what an FBI background check involves? I doubt FBI agents show up to question your neighbors when you purchase a gun. You really want to go down another idiotic road?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:28 pm
@parados,
Wrong again Parados. As someone who has purchased guns, I know for a fact that a criminal background check is done. Once again showing that you know nothing about guns. No wonder we can't have a decent gun debate in this country, you guys don't even know what the current laws are.

Here's a question for you. Can I order a gun online and have it delivered to my house?

Interested in how it works? Here ya go: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:29 pm
@coldjoint,
Gosh, Pinkie if you simply go to their website you will see why they need armed officers. Because of people like Cliven Bundy that violate the law repeatedly.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/slider_stories/2014/23_042314_rsa_case_drener.html
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/slider_stories/2014/27_022714_sea_turtle_case.html
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/slider_stories/2014/11_041114_rsa_case_joseph.html
http://keysnews.com/node/54846
http://www.justice.gov/usao/fls/PressReleases/140414-02.html
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:31 pm
@parados,
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Because of people like Obama that violate the law repeatedly.


FIXT
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:34 pm
@Baldimo,
What a crock of bull ****. No one conducted an FBI background check on you when you bought a gun. An FBI background check involves actual FBI agents interviewing references, friends and neighbors. It is not just a check of the criminal database like when you purchase a gun.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Good for you shitting on the US Constitution again, Pinkie. You don't seem to understand that courts are the arbitrator of who has committed crimes. In the case of Bundy as in the case of those I submitted from the NOAA law enforcement, courts have ruled or people have been charged under the US Constitution and system of law we have.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:36 pm
Quote:
Why Do 70 Federal Agencies Have Armed Agents?

Quote:

Though most Americans know agents within the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Federal Bureau of Prisons carry guns, agencies such as the Library of Congress and Federal Reserve Board employing armed officers might come as a surprise.

The incident that sparked the renewed interest and concern occurred in late August when a team of armed federal and state officials descended on the tiny Alaska gold mining town of Chicken, Alaska.

The Environmental Protection Agency, whose armed agents in full body armor participated, acknowledged taking part in the Alaska Environmental Crimes Task Force investigation, which it said was conducted to look for possible violations of the Clean Water Act.

The FBI, Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management and Park Service are among 24 federal agencies employing more than 250 full-time armed officers with arrest authority, according the federal report, which is based on the 2008 Census of Federal Law Enforcement Officers.

The other 16 agencies have less than 250 officers and include NOAA as well as the Library of Congress, the Federal Reserve Board and the National Institutes of Health.

The number of federal department with armed personnel climbs to 73 when adding in the 33 offices of inspector general, the government watchdogs for agencies as large as the Postal Service to the Government Printing Office, whose IG has only five full-time officers.


http://www.rightwingnews.com/guns/why-do-70-federal-agencies-have-armed-agents/
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 02:36 pm
@parados,
Does my name go through an FBI database when I purchase a firearm or not? The answer is yes it does. I get checked to make sure I don't have a criminal record. So therefore I do indeed get a background check done by the FBI when I purchase a firearm.

You want to imply that there are no checks done when a purchase is made, we know this isn't true.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 03:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Our government has been buying up unprecedented amounts of ammunition, for non-military use, and arming employees who are not remotely part of the criminal justice system. You can choose to see this as no big deal or alarming.


Come on Finn!

Read this again. This is a really silly argument.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 03:51 pm
@maxdancona,
Max.
With all the armed tea bagers running around the country I'd want to be armed if I was a school crossing guard!!!!!!
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 5 May, 2014 07:41 pm
@RABEL222,
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With all the armed tea bagers running around the country


How many people do they have authority over? How many drive assault vehicles?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2014 07:27 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Does my name go through an FBI database when I purchase a firearm or not? The answer is yes it does. I get checked to make sure I don't have a criminal record. So therefore I do indeed get a background check done by the FBI when I purchase a firearm.

You want to imply that there are no checks done when a purchase is made, we know this isn't true.


You are a liar Baldimo. No other way to put this. Here is my original statement
parados wrote:

Armed agents go through an FBI background check which is much more than armed citizens have to go through.

The NICS is NOT an FBI background check. It is a check of the database. 20 states don't even go through the FBI to do the check. They maintain their own database.

This is an FBI background check.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/identity-history-summary-checks/backgroundchk
Let us know when you submitted your fingerprints and had to wait minimum of 22 days (the current wait time) before buying a gun.
 

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