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WBYeats
 
Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 07:17 am
-I must have looked slightly startled, for she seemed amused, and explained by elaborating the quotation " 'And they all lived together in a little crooked house.' That's us. Not really such a little house either.

But definitely crooked - running to gables and half-timbering!"
"Are you one of a large family? Brothers and sisters?"
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Q: What does RUNNING TO GABLES AND HALF-TIMBERING mean?

I know the meaning of GABLE and HALF-TIMBERED, which word can be found in dictionaries, but how do they connect to RUNNING TO? Ramshackle or bent or abnormal or?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 09:06 am
"Running to" is a locution which expresses the characteristics of someone or something. It usually means the extreme characteristics.

Frank is untrustworthy, his stories about others running to half-truths and even outright lies.

Sarah's taste is pure kitsch, running to embroidered samplers and knitted tea cozies.


Although i think that there isn't any reason to see gables and half-timbering as crooked, the use of the locution "running to" is saying that the house is crooked, and gables and half-timbering are obvious examples of that.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 09:45 am
Thank you; in dictionaries:

-half-timbered:
-having walls that are made from a wooden frame filled with brick, stone, etc. so that the framework can still be seen

Does the word mean ramshackle or house-unfinished? Has it a different meaning in the context above?
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 09:53 am
@WBYeats,
No, it does not mean ramshackle. Half-timbering was a construction style of the Tudor era in England.

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/06/55/065504_d5d52b2a.jpg

The ground floor here is brick or stone, and the upper stories are half-timbered. That means that there is a timber (wooden) frame, and that the space between the timber is filled with other construction materials. In the 16th century (the Tudor era) it would have been filled with wattle and daub, meaning interlaced wooden branches covered with clay or mud.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 09:55 am
In this image, the upper story is half-timbered, and there are three gables.

http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~hyde/England/PicsJan5/14HalfTimberedHouseSalisbury.JPG

I consider the passage saying that the house "ran to" gables and half-timbering to be awkward, it is poor writing.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 10:17 am
@Setanta,
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I consider the passage saying that the house "ran to" gables and half-timbering to be awkward, it is poor writing.


To an English reader it seems to be merely jocular. Dickens ran to locutions of this type.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 01:02 pm
I don't buy appeals to authority. Dickens was not some sort of literary god, incapable of bad writing. Another thing he "ran to" was serialized writing which had to be churned out on a deadline, and for which he was paid by the word.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 04:02 pm
@Setanta,
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I don't buy appeals to authority.


That's because such things all too often illustrate that you are out to lunch, Set.


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Dickens was not some sort of literary god, incapable of bad writing.


Speaking of bad writing.

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Another thing he "ran to" was serialized writing which had to be churned out on a deadline, and for which he was paid by the word.



Good lord, he wrote to put food in his mouth, a roof over his head! Oh, the calamity!
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 04:23 pm
@WBYeats,
Setanta:
Quote:
"Running to" is a locution which expresses the characteristics of someone or something. It usually means the extreme characteristics.


Quote:
But definitely crooked - running to gables and half-timbering!"



I doubt very much that this has anything to do with the nuance Setanta raised. I I think that this was the writer's way of suggesting that the building was done in a rather hodgepodge fashion. This is a literal sense - structural building components, rafters, beams, joists all run from/to each other.
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knaivete
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2014 10:59 pm
@WBYeats,
Excellent WBYeats, learning by reading. Read the entire book first then come back and ask what it all means.

CROOKED HOUSE 1949 Agatha Christie Page 1 Chapter 1

http://bookre.org/reader?file=209677

"I don't even know where you live in England."
"I live at Swinly Dean."
I nodded at the mention of the well-known outer suburb of London which boasts three excellent golf courses for the city financier.
She added softly in a musing voice: "In a little crooked house..."
I must have looked slightly startled, for she seemed amused, and explained by elaborating the quotation "'And they all lived together in a little crooked house.' That's us. Not really such a little house either. But definitely crooked - running to gables and half-timbering!"
"Are you one of a large family? Brothers and sisters?"
"One brother, one sister, a mother, a father, an uncle, an aunt by marriage, a grandfather, a great aunt and a step grandmother."
"Good gracious!" I exclaimed, slightly overwhelmed.
She laughed.





contrex
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:01 am
@knaivete,
It is clear that the house is a type found in the suburbs of many British cities, built between 1900 and 1950 approx; the hodge-podge is of architectural styles
Such houses do indeed 'run' to styles without completely assuming them, and I find the expression entirely appropriate.
knaivete
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:54 am
@contrex,
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I find the expression entirely appropriate.


As do I.

Some of the questions here are akin to a secret garden of lost treasures.

I think Setanta's analysis was spot on if you'll excuse my Shakespearean.

And "running to" means "going so far as to include" to my mind.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLR-gVVhELaYaXYA7xUxqnS2lG-1er0jjkIqb_9LJPOcn68qgR
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contrex
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 11:07 am
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/21/article-2398714-1B648003000005DC-449_634x579.jpg

This is the type of house I was alluding to... built around 1920... an appalling hodge-podge of styles. Every large British city has a belt of housing of this type. Such suburbs often have pubs, parades of shops, electricity substations, bus and rail stations in this style. It has been called "Tudorbethan", "mock-Tudor" or "joke-oak". This is what Christie meant about "running to" half-timbering and gables. They are 'crooked' (dishonest) in an aesthetic sense.

http://images.francisfrith.com/c10/450/27/O106007.jpg
Row ("parade") of shops near Croydon (built 1920s)
http://www.oldcoulsdon.co.uk/64026320.jpg
Pub near Croydon (built 1920s)
http://acooperwillis.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/smsubstations-002.jpg
Electricity substation in Stoke-On-Trent (1930s)








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contrex
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 11:24 am
http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/blacon/blacon(brooksbank5.1961)old7.jpg
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contrex
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:45 pm
You find Tudorbethan all over the British Commonwealth, and in the USA I believe suburbs in northern New Jersey such as Englewood and Teaneck feature particularly dense concentrations of Tudor-revival construction from this period.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3kr1PFzSoqAkpB2V3OXlBrS3xyVExUXy0Ku9qDqWrjexwmuY8
House in Tilden Ave, Teaneck NJ


http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/badoit/Tudorbethan_zpsf87a7fed.jpg
House down the road from my father's house in Croydon
knaivete
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2014 06:18 pm
@contrex,
The village of Lavenham is believed to have inspired the poem:

There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile.
He found a crooked sixpence upon a crooked stile.
He bought a crooked cat, which caught a crooked mouse,
And they all lived together in a little crooked house.[1]

First published in 1842.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_a_Crooked_Man

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavenham

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Lavenham_High_Street.jpg/240px-Lavenham_High_Street.jpg

The vignette on joke-oak was muchly enjoyable, yet still I have reservations about what Agatha decided to inadvertently plagiarise in her estimable work.

contrex
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 12:56 am
@knaivete,
Christie committed no plagiarism, inadvertent or deliberate, and if you think so then your understanding is somewhat superficial. The whole gable/half-timbered thing is Christie deftly sketching in some social background

McTag
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 03:17 am
@WBYeats,

I see this topic has been fairly well covered (done to death?) so I will refrain from putting my ha'porth in.

Good day.
knaivete
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 05:02 am
@contrex,
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This is the type of house I was alluding to... built around 1920... This is what Christie meant about "running to" half-timbering and gables. They are 'crooked' (dishonest) in an aesthetic sense.


Sadly you are egregiously erroneous in your contention.

Christie's character refers to her house as crooked, word for word, from the 1842 poem. This is not a reference to your latterday crooked aesthetics contrexfabulation.

I can see her now deftly sketching while you furiously scribble deeper and deeper.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 9 Apr, 2014 08:20 am
@McTag,
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I see this topic has been fairly well covered (done to death?) so I will refrain from putting my ha'porth in.


Hoist by his own petard.
 

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