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Is free-will an illusion?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2015 04:08 am
@layman,
Of course "natural selection creates nothing", by definition of what "selection" means. It's mutations and recombinations that create new information. And yes, I mean random mutations and random recombination.

But even if there's another evolutive force out there not accounted by mutations and recombination, I bet you it's not a god playing around with DNA like a kid with his lego... The whole evolution process is just way too slow, conservative, and haphazard for any of that. It's a natural process.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2015 09:14 am
More about "neurobabble" and how it misses the point. Note the importance given to accurate representation, aka truth.

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A Real Science of Mind
By Tyler Burge

December 19, 2010 5:18 PM December 19, 2010 5:18 pm

In recent years popular science writing has bombarded us with titillating reports of discoveries of the brain’s psychological prowess. Such reports invade even introductory patter in biology and psychology. We are told that the brain — or some area of it sees, decides, reasons, knows, emotes, is altruistic/egotistical, or wants to make love. For example, a recent article reports a researcher’s “looking at love, quite literally, with the aid of an MRI machine.” One wonders whether lovemaking is to occur between two brains, or between a brain and a human being.

There are three things wrong with this talk.

First, it provides little insight into psychological phenomena. Often the discoveries amount to finding stronger activation in some area of the brain when a psychological phenomenon occurs. As if it is news that the brain is not dormant during psychological activity! The reported neuroscience is often descriptive rather than explanatory. Experiments have shown that neurobabble produces the illusion of understanding. But little of it is sufficiently detailed to aid, much less provide, psychological explanation.

The idea that the neural can replace the psychological is the same idea that led to thinking that all psychological ills can be cured with drugs.

Second, brains-in-love talk conflates levels of explanation. Neurobabble piques interest in science, but obscures how science works. Individuals see, know, and want to make love. Brains don’t. Those things are psychological — not, in any evident way, neural. Brain activity is necessary for psychological phenomena, but its relation to them is complex.

Imagine that reports of the mid-20th-century breakthroughs in biology had focused entirely on quantum mechanical interactions among elementary particles. Imagine that the reports neglected to discuss the structure or functions of DNA. Inheritance would not have been understood. The level of explanation would have been wrong. Quantum mechanics lacks a notion of function, and its relation to biology is too complex to replace biological understanding. To understand biology, one must think in biological terms.

Discussing psychology in neural terms makes a similar mistake. Explanations of neural phenomena are not themselves explanations of psychological phenomena. Some expect the neural level to replace the psychological level. This expectation is as naive as expecting a single cure for cancer. Science is almost never so simple. See John Cleese’s apt spoof of such reductionism.

The third thing wrong with neurobabble is that it has pernicious feedback effects on science itself. Too much immature science has received massive funding, on the assumption that it illuminates psychology. The idea that the neural can replace the psychological is the same idea that led to thinking that all psychological ills can be cured with drugs.

Perceptual psychology, not neuroscience, should be grabbing headlines.

Correlations between localized neural activity and specific psychological phenomena are important facts. But they merely set the stage for explanation. Being purely descriptive, they explain nothing. Some correlations do aid psychological explanation. For example, identifying neural events underlying vision constrains explanations of timing in psychological processes and has helped predict psychological effects. We will understand both the correlations and the psychology, however, only through psychological explanation.

Scientific explanation is our best guide to understanding the world. By reflecting on it, we learn better what we understand about the world.

Neurobabble’s popularity stems partly from the view that psychology’s explanations are immature compared to neuroscience. Some psychology is indeed still far from rigorous. But neurobabble misses an important fact.

A powerful, distinctively psychological science matured over the last four decades. Perceptual psychology, pre-eminently vision science, should be grabbing headlines. This science is more advanced than many biological sciences, including much neuroscience. It is the first science to explain psychological processes with mathematical rigor in distinctively psychological terms. (Generative linguistics — another relatively mature psychological science — explains psychological structures better than psychological processes.)

What are distinctively psychological terms? Psychology is distinctive in being a science of representation. The term “representation” has a generic use and a more specific use that is distinctively psychological. I start with the generic use, and will return to the distinctively psychological use. States of an organism generically represent features of the environment if they function to correlate with them. A plant or bacterium generically represents the direction of light. States involved in growth or movement functionally correlate with light’s direction.

Task-focused explanations in biology and psychology often use “represent” generically, and proceed as follows. They identify a natural task for an organism. They then measure environmental properties relevant to the task, and constraints imposed by the organism’s bio-physical make-up. Next, they determine mathematically optimal performance of the task, given the environmental properties and the organism’s constraints. Finally, they develop hypotheses and test the organism’s fulfillment of the task against optimal performance.

This approach identifies systematic correlations between organisms’ states and environmental properties. Such correlations constitute generic representation. However, task-focused explanations that use “representation” generically are not distinctively psychological. For they apply to states of plants, bacteria, and water pumps, as well as to perception and thought.

Explanation in perceptual psychology is a sub-type of task-focused explanation. What makes it distinctively psychological is that it uses notions like representational accuracy, a specific type of correlation.

The difference between functional correlation and representational accuracy is signaled by the fact that scientific explanations of light-sensitivity in plants or bacteria invoke functional correlation, but not states capable of accuracy. Talk of accuracy would be a rhetorical afterthought. States capable of accuracy are what vision science is fundamentally about.

Science of mind is one of the most important intellectual developments in the last half century. It should not be obscured by neurobabble.

Why are explanations in terms of representational accuracy needed? They explain perceptual constancies. Perceptual constancies are capacities to perceive a given environmental property under many types of stimulation. You and a bird can see a stone as the same size from 6 inches or 60 yards away, even though the size of the stone’s effect on the retina differs. You and a bee can see a surface as yellow bathed in white or red light, even though the distribution of wavelengths hitting the eye differ.

Plants and bacteria (and water-pumps) lack perceptual constancies. Responses to light by plants and bacteria are explained by reference to states determined by properties of the light stimulus — frequency, intensity, polarization — and by how and where light stimulates their surfaces.

Visual perception is getting the environment right — seeing it, representing it accurately. Standard explanations of neural patterns cannot explain vision because such explanations do not relate vision, or even neural patterns, to the environment. Task-focused explanations in terms of functional correlation do relate organisms’ states to the environment. But they remain too generic to explain visual perception.

Perceptual psychology explains how perceptual states that represent environmental properties are formed. It identifies psychological patterns that are learned, or coded into the perceptual system through eons of interaction with the environment. And it explains how stimulations cause individuals’ perceptual states via those patterns. Perceptions and illusions of depth, movement, size, shape, color, sound localization, and so on, are explained with mathematical rigor.

Perceptual psychology uses two powerful types of explanation — one, geometrical and traditional; the other, statistical and cutting-edge.

Here is a geometrical explanation of distance perception. Two angles and the length of one side determine a triangle. A point in the environment forms a triangle with the two eyes. The distance between the eyes in many animals is constant. Suppose that distance to be innately coded in the visual system. Suppose that the system has information about the angles at which the two eyes are pointing, relative to the line between the eyes. Then the distance to the point in the environment is computable. Descartes postulated this explanation in 1637. There is now rich empirical evidence to indicate that this procedure, called “convergence,” figures in perception of distance. Convergence is one of over 15 ways human vision is known to represent distance or depth.

Here is a statistical explanation of contour grouping. Contour grouping is representing which contours (including boundary contours) “go together,” for example, as belonging to the same object. Contour grouping is a step toward perception of object shape. Grouping boundary contours that belong to the same object is complicated by this fact: Objects commonly occlude other objects, obscuring boundary contours of partially occluded objects. Grouping boundaries on opposite sides of an occluder is a step towards perceiving object shape.

To determine how boundary contours should ideally be grouped, numerous digital photographs of natural scenes are collected. Hundreds of thousands of contours are extracted from the photographic images. Each pair is classified as to whether or not it corresponds to boundaries of the same object. The distances and relative orientations between paired image-contours are recorded. Given enough samples, the probability that two photographic image-contours correspond to contours on the same object can be calculated. Probabilities vary depending on distance — and orientation relations among the image-contours. So whether two image-contours correspond to boundaries of the same object depends statistically on properties of image-contours.

Human visual systems are known to record contour information. In experiments, humans are shown only image-contours in photographs, not full photographs. Their performance in judging which contours belong to the same object, given only the image-contours, closely matches the objective probabilities established from the photographs. Such tests support hypotheses about how perceptions of object shape are formed from cues regarding contour groupings.

Representation, in the specific sense, and consciousness are the two primary properties that are distinctive of psychological phenomena. Consciousness is the what-it-is-like of experience. Representation is the being-about-something in perception and thought. Consciousness is introspectively more salient. Representation is scientifically better understood.

Where does mind begin? One beginning is the emergence of representational accuracy — in arthropods. (We do not know where consciousness begins.) Rigorous science of mind begins withperception, the first distinctively psychological representation. Maturation of a science of mind is one of the most important intellectual developments in the last half century. Its momentousness should not be obscured by neurobabble that baits with psychology, but switches to brain science. Brain and psychological sciences are working toward one another. Understanding their relation depends on understanding psychology. We have a rigorous perceptual psychology. It may provide a model for further psychological explanation that will do more than display an MRI and say, “behold, love.”

Tyler Burge is Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at U.C.L.A. He is the author of many papers on philosophy of mind and three books with Oxford University Press: “Truth, Thought, Reason: Essays on Frege,” “Foundations of Mind,” and most recently, “Origins of Objectivity, which discusses the origins of mind in perception and the success of perceptual psychology as a science.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/a-real-science-of-mind/?_r=0
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2015 09:21 am
I also started reading this article forom Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience:

The Seductive Allure of Neuroscience Explanations, by Deena Skolnick Weisberg, Frank C. Keil, Joshua Goodstein, Elizabeth Rawson, and Jeremy R. Gray. They basically catch neurobabblists at their own game. Here is a brief summary:

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People may therefore uncritically accept any explanation containing neuroscience information, even in cases when the neuroscience information is irrelevant to the logic of the explanation.

To test this hypothesis, we examined people’s judgments of explanations that either do or do not contain neuroscience information, but that otherwise do not differ in content or logic. All three studies reported here used a 2 (explanation type: good vs. bad)  2 (neuroscience: without vs. with) design. This allowed us to see both people’s baseline abilities to distinguish good psychological explanations from bad psychological explanations as well as any influence of neuroscience information on this ability. If logically irrelevant neuroscience information affects people’s judgments of explanations, this would suggest that people’s fascination with neuropsychological explanations may stem from an inability or unwillingness to critically consider the role that neuroscience information plays in these explanations.
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FBM
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 05:09 am
Reason to doubt: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-brain-on-trial/308520/

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The Brain on Trial
Advances in brain science are calling into question the volition behind many criminal acts. A leading neuroscientist describes how the foundations of our criminal-justice system are beginning to crumble, and proposes a new way forward for law and order.


ON THE STEAMY first day of August 1966, Charles Whitman took an elevator to the top floor of the University of Texas Tower in Austin....

Stories like Whitman’s are not uncommon: legal cases involving brain damage crop up increasingly often. As we develop better technologies for probing the brain, we detect more problems, and link them more easily to aberrant behavior. Take the 2000 case of a 40-year-old man we’ll call Alex, whose sexual preferences suddenly began to transform. He developed an interest in child pornography—and not just a little interest, but an overwhelming one....After the removal of the remaining tumor, his behavior again returned to normal.

When your biology changes, so can your decision-making and your desires. The drives you take for granted (“I’m a heterosexual/homosexual,” “I’m attracted to children/adults,” “I’m aggressive/not aggressive,” and so on) depend on the intricate details of your neural machinery. Although acting on such drives is popularly thought to be a free choice, the most cursory examination of the evidence demonstrates the limits of that assumption....

The lesson from all these stories is the same: human behavior cannot be separated from human biology. If we like to believe that people make free choices about their behavior (as in, “I don’t gamble, because I’m strong-willed”), cases like Alex the pedophile, the frontotemporal shoplifters, and the gambling Parkinson’s patients may encourage us to examine our views more carefully. Perhaps not everyone is equally “free” to make socially appropriate choices....

MANY OF US like to believe that all adults possess the same capacity to make sound choices. It’s a charitable idea, but demonstrably wrong. People’s brains are vastly different.

Who you even have the possibility to be starts at conception. If you think genes don’t affect how people behave, consider this fact: if you are a carrier of a particular set of genes, the probability that you will commit a violent crime is four times as high as it would be if you lacked those genes. You’re three times as likely to commit robbery, five times as likely to commit aggravated assault, eight times as likely to be arrested for murder, and 13 times as likely to be arrested for a sexual offense. The overwhelming majority of prisoners carry these genes; 98.1 percent of death-row inmates do. These statistics alone indicate that we cannot presume that everyone is coming to the table equally equipped in terms of drives and behaviors.

And this feeds into a larger lesson of biology: we are not the ones steering the boat of our behavior, at least not nearly as much as we believe. Who we are runs well below the surface of our conscious access, and the details reach back in time to before our birth, when the meeting of a sperm and an egg granted us certain attributes and not others. Who we can be starts with our molecular blueprints—...

Genes are part of the story, but they’re not the whole story. We are likewise influenced by the environments in which we grow up. Substance abuse by a mother during pregnancy, maternal stress, and low birth weight all can influence how a baby will turn out as an adult....

When it comes to nature and nurture, the important point is that we choose neither one. We are each constructed from a genetic blueprint, and then born into a world of circumstances that we cannot control in our most-formative years. The complex interactions of genes and environment mean that all citizens—equal before the law—possess different perspectives, dissimilar personalities, and varied capacities for decision-making. The unique patterns of neurobiology inside each of our heads cannot qualify as choices; these are the cards we’re dealt....

This has always been the sticking point for philosophers and scientists alike. After all, there is no spot in the brain that is not densely interconnected with—and driven by—other brain parts. And that suggests that no part is independent and therefore “free.” In modern science, it is difficult to find the gap into which to slip free will—the uncaused causer—because there seems to be no part of the machinery that does not follow in a causal relationship from the other parts.

Free will may exist (it may simply be beyond our current science), but one thing seems clear: if free will does exist, it has little room in which to operate. It can at best be a small factor riding on top of vast neural networks shaped by genes and environment. In fact, free will may end up being so small that we eventually think about bad decision-making in the same way we think about any physical process, such as diabetes or lung disease....

The more we discover about the circuitry of the brain, the more we tip away from accusations of indulgence, lack of motivation, and poor discipline—and toward the details of biology. The shift from blame to science reflects our modern understanding that our perceptions and behaviors are steered by deeply embedded neural programs....
Briancrc
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 09:20 am
@FBM,
FBM, some good points in this piece. I think
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Free will may exist (it may simply be beyond our current science)
is generous, but not inappropriate. If we someday find evidence that out behavior occurs for reasons other than our phylogenetic and ontogenetic histories, then maybe we can engage in self-aggrandizement until our hearts' content. Wouldn't that be special Wink
FBM
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 10:10 am
@Briancrc,
Heh. Yeah, that would be special. That little bit is, I think, a nod to intellectual honesty. There may be something yet undiscovered that will place the peak executive function outside the real of biochemistry/physics, but until such time as that's demonstrated, well...I'm cool with the idea that whatever "I" may be, it fits in with the way the rest of the universe works, rather than somehow standing outside and/or above it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:28 pm
@Briancrc,
Free will exists within the confines of our individual environment. Some people live in one small village all of their lives, while some have been fortunate to have traveled widely. Economics has much to do with it, I believe.
martinies
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 12:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Free will only exists in terms of good n evil otherwise the event puts you where you are ment to be as surely as it places planets in there positions relative to the sun. Relativity governs all moving things.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 02:51 pm
@Briancrc,
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. If we someday find evidence that out behavior occurs for reasons other than our phylogenetic and ontogenetic histories, then maybe we can engage in self-aggrandizement until our hearts' content. Wouldn't that be special Wink

I would put it another way: If we someday find evidence that out behavior occurs for no other reasons than our phylogenetic and ontogenetic histories, then maybe we can engage in self-castration until our hearts' content. Wouldn't that be special Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 04:25 pm
@martinies,
Good and evil are human terms; I call them natural events.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2015 05:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Good to see you back, CI.
It's true our free will has limits.

In the end, it may only to only basic things.
To quit or not
To forgive or not

Stuff like that.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 12:30 am
@neologist,
Yep free will is limited to the limitless there is no free will with regards limited local action . Why because it local action is inside a limit. Its like trying to exceed the light speed limit c which contains locality it just cant be done. So ya right in ya conclusion.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 03:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Good and evil are human terms; I call them natural events.

Hi ci. They are moral terms, hence indeed human. Human is good, better than "inhuman". A society that undermines morals gets down the drain, which is why these seeminglt idle philosophical discussions actually matter. Nobody wants to wake up in naziland one day...

"Oh you didn't get the memo? Freedom was an illusion anyway so we got rid of it... We're beyond good and evil, too. Hope you like it, otherwise Dachau has been re-opened."

Least this sounds theoretical, let's remember that it has already happened at least twice: Communism and fascism are ideologies historically rooted in a philosophic denial of human freedom and moral.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 04:32 am
@Olivier5,
Communism n fascism are localised social identities. Or selfishisms invented by unbelievers.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 05:55 am
@martinies,
Free will has to be nonlocal other wise the actions of an individual are governed by the local action event and are therefor limited. The only nonlocal action is good over evil. To give is better thsn to receive or to work in a mode free of reward and gain as motivation for an action is freedom.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 07:20 am
@martinies,
There are ideologies based on historicist philosophies that denied human agency in favor of "laws of history". Marxism's law was class warfare. Hitler's was gene warfare.

Philosophy matters. It can do a lot of wrong, for a start.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 07:30 am
@Olivier5,
Good Philosophy doesn't mater, it causes no harm...I agree the bad one matters a lot...for a change we do agree on sometning.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 07:41 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Glad we agree too. Good philosophy is usually very useful. It gave us science after all.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 09:32 am
@Olivier5,
The event controls an individual yhe only freedom is the freedom to do good.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 6 Dec, 2015 10:51 am
@martinies,
Well, that's already something...
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