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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 01:11 pm
@ossobuco,
No. People in support of the Zionists of Israel use anti-Semites and Jew-haters against other Jews who support the Palestinians. I'm pretty sure I've read them on this forum.
buttflake
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Apparently, in their minds, one cannot be a critic of Israel...without being an anti-Semite.


Like being a critic of Obama and not a racist.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:38 pm
@buttflake,
buttflake wrote:

Quote:
Apparently, in their minds, one cannot be a critic of Israel...without being an anti-Semite.


Like being a critic of Obama and not a racist.


There are some people who criticize Barack Obama...and are not racists.

There are some people who criticize Israel...and are anti-Semites.

To suppose that everyone who criticizes Barack Obama is a racist and everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite...is absurd.
buttflake
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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To suppose that everyone who criticizes Barack Obama is a racist and everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite...is absurd.


Why do you think the media hasn't figured that out yet? Not to mention progressives and Democrats.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:49 pm
@buttflake,
buttflake wrote:

Quote:
To suppose that everyone who criticizes Barack Obama is a racist and everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite...is absurd.


Why do you think the media hasn't figured that out yet? Not to mention progressives and Democrats.


Stop begging the question, Butt. That goes nowhere in reasonable debate or discussion.

buttflake
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:53 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Stop begging the question, Butt. That goes nowhere in reasonable debate or discussion.


That is just it. It stops any reasonable debate or discussion.
buttflake
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 02:57 pm
Across the pond.





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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 03:11 pm
@buttflake,
buttflake wrote:

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Stop begging the question, Butt. That goes nowhere in reasonable debate or discussion.


That is just it. It stops any reasonable debate or discussion.


Then why are you begging the question?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 03:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
From Wiki on self-hating Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

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Self-hating Jew is a term used to allege that a Jewish person holds antisemitic beliefs or engages in antisemitic actions. The concept gained widespread currency after Theodor Lessing's 1930 book Der Jüdische Selbsthass ("Jewish Self-hatred"), which tries to explain the prevalence of Jewish intellectuals inciting antisemitism with their extremely hateful view toward Judaism. Jewish self-hate has been described as a neurotic reaction to the impact of antisemitism by Jews accepting, expressing, and even exaggerating the basic assumptions of the anti-Semite.[1] The term became "something of a key term of opprobrium in and beyond Cold War-era debates about Zionism".[2] Similar accusations of being uncomfortable with one's Jewishness were already being made by groups of Jews against each other before Zionism existed as a movement.[2]
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 03:26 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Stop begging the question, Butt. That goes nowhere in reasonable debate or discussion.




Considering that all the reasonable supporters of Israel have left these threads and only the rabid ones remain, a reasonable discussion is an impossibility.
buttflake
 
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Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2014 08:22 pm
@izzythepush,
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only the rabid


Does emasculation make rabies easier? I have heard the shots are painful. Good luck with that.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 06:39 am
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An immediate investigation is needed into mounting evidence that the Israel Defense Forces launched apparently deliberate attacks against hospitals and health professionals in Gaza, which have left six medics dead, said Amnesty International as it released disturbing testimonies from doctors, nurses, and ambulance personnel working in the area.

“The harrowing descriptions by ambulance drivers and other medics of the utterly impossible situation in which they have to work, with bombs and bullets killing or injuring their colleagues as they try to save lives, paint a grim reality of life in Gaza,” said Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International.

“Even more alarming is the mounting evidence that the Israeli army has targeted health facilities or professionals. Such attacks are absolutely prohibited by international law and would amount to war crimes. They only add to the already compelling argument that the situation should be referred to the International Criminal Court.”

Hospitals, doctors and ambulance staff, including those trying to evacuate people injured in Israeli attacks, have come under increased fire since 17 July.

Some medical teams have even been prevented from reaching critical areas altogether, leaving hundreds of injured civilians without access to life-saving help and entire families without assistance in removing the bodies of their loved ones.

Jaber Khalil Abu Rumileh, who supervises ambulance services in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs hospital, told Amnesty International of a shelling attack on the medical facility on 21 July that lasted for half an hour.

“It was 3pm and I was working in the emergency unit. I heard bombing that shook the hospital. It was a shelling that had hit the fourth floor, the pregnancy and caesarean unit. Then there were a few more hits. People were terrified, patients ran out, doctors could not enter to help the injured and remove the dead. Then the third floor was hit and four people were killed. I saw one women come running with the child she just gave birth to. Some women gave birth during the shelling.”

Mohammad Abu Jumiza is partially deaf after suffering head injuries during an attack that took place while he was transferring injured people in his ambulance in Khan Younis on 24 July.

“We were on our way back to Nasser hospital, driving with the lights and sirens on as always. The ambulance was clearly marked as such. The doctor, nurse and I were all wearing medical uniforms. When we reached the Islamic University I heard an explosion right next to us and the front and back windows of the car fell out. As I was turning another missile hit next to us, and then a third one. When the fourth missile hit, I lost control and we crashed, so we ran out of the car and found shelter in a building. Then there were two more missiles fired and some people were injured.”

Dr Bashar Murad, director of Palestinian Red Crescent Society’s (PRCS) emergency and ambulance unit, said that since the conflict started at least two PRCS ambulance workers had been killed, at least 35 had been injured and 17 health vehicles had been left out of service after attacks by the Israeli army.

“Our ambulances are often targeted although they are clearly marked and display all signs that they are ambulances. The army should be able to distinguish from the air that what they targeting are ambulances,” he said.

Ambulance worker Mohammad Al-Abadlah was killed on 25 July. He was in Qarara to help an injured person when he was shot in the hip and chest with gunfire and bled to death. Mohammad was travelling in a visibly marked ambulance and was wearing his medical uniform. Colleagues who approached him to help him were also shot at but were not injured.

A’ed Mustafa Bur’i, another ambulance worker, was burned to death on 25 July in Beit Hanoon after a shell hit the clearly marked vehicle he was travelling in.

Hospitals across the Gaza Strip are also suffering from fuel and power shortages, inadequate water supply, and shortages of essential drugs and medical equipment. Such shortages, already prevalent due to Israel’s seven-year blockade, have been made much worse during the current hostilities.


http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/mounting-evidence-deliberate-attacks-gaza-health-workers-israeli-army-2014-08-07

On C4 News last night an English doctor worker for the Red Cross was asked about Amnesty's report, and he said it was true.
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 08:43 am
@izzythepush,
Complex situation. I heard (somewhere, recently) that Hamas was using part of a hospital as a command centre; No doubt thinking that would inhibit incoming fire. Fat chance.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 09:41 am
@izzythepush,
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and shortages of essential drugs and medical equipment. Such shortages, already prevalent due to Israel’s seven-year blockade,


Maybe if they(Palestinians) stop spending every dime on weapons they would have these things. Israel would not block medical equipment. Of course you can always find out when they last bought medical supplies if Israel refused them. Then prove it.
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buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 10:09 am
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Anti-Semitism in Britain makes me feel ashamed


Imagine that? An honest Englishman.
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‘In Britain over 40 per cent of anti-Semitic attacks are carried out by men of Middle Eastern or Asian appearance, and some 37 per cent of Muslims believe Jews in Britain are a legitimate target in the fight against Israel. Only half agree with Israel’s right to exist. And European mainstream opinion has absorbed some of its Muslim minority’s viewpoints, with intellectuals becoming increasingly hostile to Israel in recent years. As the Islamic population of Europe increases it seems unlikely that Jewish communities in Western Europe will feel any safer. It is ironic that Europe’s revulsion to racism was shaped by the Final Solution, and as a result it imported millions of people from the most anti-Semitic societies on earth. Now “anti-racism” is making life increasingly hard for European Jews, with the harassment of Jewish societies at universities, attacks on Jewish schools and the popularisation of “Zionist” as a thinly-veiled term of abuse.‘

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/anti-semitism-in-britain-makes-me-feel-ashamed/
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 11:32 am
@McTag,
I tend to trust Amnesty International, even if what you heard was true, it would not excuse the deliberate targeting of ambulances.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 12:25 pm
@izzythepush,
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I tend to trust Amnesty International


I don't and no one else should. Read this article and you will see the big time bias against Israel.
Quote:

What are the different patterns of violations by Israeli
forces in the Gaza Strip that Amnesty International has identified since Israel launched Operation “Protective Edge” on 8 July 2014?

Just that question alone shows a lie being perpetuated.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/news-item/israelgaza-conflict-questions-and-answers
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 03:23 pm
I was reading an article about how the Isralie CIA left some of its members in Gaza with orders to fire rockets into Israel so the army will have an excuse to restart hostilities.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2014 09:40 pm
@RABEL222,
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I was reading an article about how the Isralie CIA left some of its members in Gaza with orders to fire rockets into Israel so the army will have an excuse to restart hostilities.


Maybe it was Hannity?
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 9 Aug, 2014 02:05 am
"They call us now.
Before they drop the bombs.
The phone rings
and someone who knows my first name
calls and says in perfect Arabic
“This is David.”
And in my stupor of sonic booms and glass shattering symphonies
still smashing around in my head
I think "Do I know any Davids in Gaza?"
They call us now to say
Run.
You have 58 seconds from the end of this message.
Your house is next.
They think of it as some kind of
war time courtesy.
It doesn’t matter that
there is nowhere to run to.
It means nothing that the borders are closed
and your papers are worthless
and mark you only for a life sentence
in this prison by the sea
and the alleyways are narrow
and there are more human lives
packed one against the other
more than any other place on earth
Just run.
We aren’t trying to kill you.
It doesn’t matter that
you can’t call us back to tell us
the people we claim to want aren’t in your house
that there’s no one here
except you and your children
who were cheering for Argentina
sharing the last loaf of bread for this week
counting candles left in case the power goes out.
It doesn’t matter that you have children.
You live in the wrong place
and now is your chance to run
to nowhere.
It doesn’t matter
that 58 seconds isn’t long enough
to find your wedding album
or your son’s favorite blanket
or your daughter’s almost completed college application
or your shoes
or to gather everyone in the house.
It doesn’t matter what you had planned.
It doesn’t matter who you are
Prove you’re human.
Prove you stand on two legs.
Run."
- Running Orders, by Lena Khalaf Tuffaha
 

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