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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Moment-in-Time
 
  2  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 05:21 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I was reading an article about how the Isralie CIA left some of its members in Gaza with orders to fire rockets into Israel so the army will have an excuse to restart hostilities.


"Israeli CIA"?! Don't follow you there. Do you mean the Mossad? At any rate, I most sincerely believe Israel didn't need too much of an excuse to invade Gaza (the Israelis merely needed a minor smoke screen); as soon as the international outcry and global protests quiet a little after this latest massacre of the Palestinians, they will continue their settlement building in the West Bank and Jerusalem as a "punishment" for Hamas in Gaza daring to fight back his jailer [Israel] for keeping the people there in an open prison for 7 years while lying to the world that Hamas is a terrorist bent on Israel's destruction.

Truth be known: HAMAS IS A FREEDOM FIGHTER!
buttflake
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 08:26 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
while lying to the world that Hamas is a terrorist bent on Israel's destruction.


It is in their charter. It is not a lie. You are willfully ignorant or just plain stupid.

And Hamas and freedom doesn't belong in the same sentence.
buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 08:57 am
@McTag,
How about a poem for the Fogel baby?
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buttflake
 
  -2  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 10:25 am
@buttflake,
So your negative vote is because Hamas advocates genocide or because you don't believe it? Well it is true. And it is not going to change.
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buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 10:39 am
Quote:
When Mohammedans Commit Genocide, the Left Cares Very Little


No kidding?
Quote:
While the American Media curl up at Obama’s feet, compose odes to his Wonderfulness, and make asses of themselves trying to get a glimpse of the “Great Leader,” it is left to the foreign media to cover the atrocities being committed in the name of Islam and the Caliphate in Iraq and Syria. This is what real genocide looks like.

Yet, the American Progressive Left can muster very little outrage when Mohammedans commit genocide. There are no “die-ins” in Boston or Berkeley. No mass protests. No calls for the supporters of ISIS to be banned from college campuses. No reports of Democrats comparing ISIS to Nazis.

It is almost as if the Progressive has an enormous moral blind spot when it comes to atrocities committed by Mohammedans. It is as if they cannot be bothered when genocide is committed by people who hate America. It is as if they have never been bothered when genocide is committed by people who hate America.


http://www.gaypatriot.net/2014/08/09/when-muslims-commit-genocide-the-left-cares-very-little/
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buttflake
 
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Sat 9 Aug, 2014 10:51 am
More about Hamas.

Quote:
Hamas Charter Article 13 says, “Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas).”

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

There is no grey area-Hamas is not interested in peace or any two state political compromise. They are only satisfied with the slaughter of Jews and the destruction of Israel. Hamas believes clearly that the destruction of Israel is their religious duty.

Hamas Article Seven says, “This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgment.”

So, according to Islamic Sharia (law), any territory conquered by Muslims must remain in Muslim control till Judgment Day. It is thus their religious duty to wage jihad to recover any lands lost to the infidels. This does not just concern Israel, but also territories once ruled by Muslims.

Spain, Portugal, parts of Italy and the Balkans were once ruled by Muslims.

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This belief that Muslims are entitled to take back lost territories is backed up by the verse in Quran 2:191 which say, “And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, …”


So it is not just an Israeli problem-it is also a Western one. The same religious belief that underpins the jihad against Israel can also be used against Western countries that were once ruled by Muslims. Most journalists covering the Gaza war do not understand this.

Not all Muslims share the religious beliefs of Hamas. But if Hamas wins, Muslims all over the world will conclude that God must be on the side of Hamas and therefore their beliefs are correct. Moderate Islam, already in retreat around the world, will be crushed by a Hamas victory.

With the large numbers of Muslims living in western countries, the west will also lose if Israel loses. An Israeli victory, on the other hand is also a victory for moderate Muslims because Hamas’ beliefs will be discredited-beliefs are similar to that of ISIS, Al Qaeda and other extremist terrorist groups.

Journalists covering the tragic events in Gaza should not just focus on the superficial like the destruction of schools, hospitals and homes. Nor should they call for a halt in the war before Hamas is destroyed. It is as if World War II journalists, on learning that tens of thousands of Germans were killed by the bombing of Dresden, called for a ceasefire before Nazism could be destroyed.

Both the ideologies of Hamas and Nazism called for the genocide of the Jews. Both ideologies are equally evil. Both ideologies are incompatible with and a threat to Western democracy.


http://www.ldjackson.net/what-does-hamas-want/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 9 Aug, 2014 11:02 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Also, Hamas has nothing to lose; they've already lost their homes, freedom, and dignity. What's left? FIGHT BACK.
buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 11:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Also, Hamas has nothing to lose;


Just more lives. Oops, they don't care for human life.
buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 11:09 am


Quote:
Itamar massacre: Fogel family butchered while sleeping


3 mo. old, 4 yr. old, an 11 yr. old, their mother and father. A 3 mo. old baby?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041237,00.html
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 11:11 am
@buttflake,
It's the Zionists who doesn't have any respect for other people's lives; they're the ones bombing UN schools in Gaza where thousands seek shelter; men, women and children. They're killing them by the thousands.

People like you have no sense about the holocaust when millions were killed in like manner; genocide.
buttflake
 
  1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 11:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's the Zionists who doesn't have any respect for other people's lives; they're the ones bombing UN schools in Gaza where thousands seek shelter; men, women and children. They're killing them by the thousands.


Why? Because they(Palestinians) are sending rockets murdering families and teaching their children to hate? All things any caring human being would do, right? You idiot.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 12:17 pm
@buttflake,
It's not the Palestinians sending those rockets; you're too stupid to understand the fine points of who is. Get your facts straight - if that's at all possible, but I doubt that very much; THERE'S NO CURE FOR STUPID.
Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 12:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's not the Palestinians sending those rockets; you're too stupid to understand the fine points of who is. Get your facts straight - if that's at all possible, but I doubt that very much; THERE'S NO CURE FOR STUPID.


But try not to lose hope, ci. There are people who can teach you how to pretend you've been cured.
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RABEL222
 
  0  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 01:51 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Sorry MIT. After seeing so many of the conservatives lie their asses off I decided to try it.
Moment-in-Time
 
  1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 02:11 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:

Sorry MIT. After seeing so many of the conservatives lie their asses off I decided to try it.


You are delightful, Rabel. No wonder you're one of my favs.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 04:27 pm
Community leader, beloved grandfather shot dead by Israelis as he carried white flag
Rami Almeghari

The Electronic Intifada

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/140807-qdeih-home.jpg?itok=b5FZG_T8

Invading Israeli forces broke down the garage door of the Qdeih family home leading to the basement.
(Shadi Alqarra)

Muhammad Qdeih, 65, was shot dead while carrying a white flag to signal to Israeli soldiers that he was an unarmed civilian.

He was killed on 25 July right at the staircase of his house, where his daughter Mufida, a homemaker in her forties, stood speaking to The Electronic Intifada in the village of Khuzaa, east of Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip.

“They killed the man who taught me the meaning of devotion to the community and to the Palestinian cause,” Mufida said, gesturing towards the staircase. “He inspired me to take part in protests and solidarity events for prisoners.”

Down the stairs is the basement where the family and some neighbors had been hiding, seeking shelter from the Israeli onslaught.

Khuzaa was utterly devastated during Israel’s assault on Gaza which began on 7 July, and which paused for a 72-hour “humanitarian ceasefire” that was set to expire on Friday morning unless Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in Cairo were able to agree on an extension.

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/140807-khuzaa-army.jpg?itok=KqpWubAO

Inside the house, Israeli soldiers left evidence of their presence in the form of some of their gear, including a few bullets that had not been fired.

“About twenty years ago, my father used to collect vegetables and fruits and distribute them to the families of Palestinian prisoners from the area who are in Israeli jails,” Mufida said. “Though he loved Palestine, he refused to join any political faction, as he believed that Palestine is greater than any faction.”

“I was very close to my father, even though I am one of three daughters and six sons. Four of my brothers live in France and my father used to visit them there often,” Mufida said. “God have mercy on him. I cannot believe he has been taken by their criminal hands,” she said of the Israeli soldiers who killed him.

A doting grandfather to more than a dozen children, Muhammad Qdeih was a respected member of the community in the Abu Irjela neighborhood where he lived and died, about two kilometers from the fence separating Gaza from present-day Israel.

Even during the Israeli onslaught he thought about others.

“The day before he was brutally shot dead, my father asked me to help him donate two thousand euros he had received from his son Mahmoud in France,” Mufida told The Electronic Intifada. “He told me, ‘I would love to donate this money to help people around here, as the war situation is so desperate.’”

Killed carrying a white flag

Muhammad’s son Ramadan, 34, who witnessed his father’s killing, was inspecting damage Israeli tank shells had caused to the house of his uncle, also called Ramadan.

“Everybody in this neighborhood respected my father,” Ramadan said. “Many people asked him to be the chief of our tribe, but he refused, saying that he preferred to remain loved by everyone. But still, he was able to help sort out many family disputes.”

Ramadan told The Electronic Intifada what happened when Israeli forces invaded the area.

“Early on Thursday, 24 July, the Israeli air strikes and tank shelling continued unabated and about 45 people, including myself and my father, went out of the basement, as the house of my uncle Ramadan was hit by tank shells,” Ramadan recounted. “We headed for the entrance of Khuzaa town, yet the Israeli tanks were already around, so we had to go back to the basement.”
140807-khuzaa-army.jpg

Occupying Israeli soldiers left behind equipment in the Qdeih family home.
(Shadi Alqarra)

“When night fell, we could hear the strikes getting more intense and at dawn on Friday, we heard the Israeli soldiers breaking the doors of the garage, which leads towards the basement,” Ramadan said.

“They shouted at us to come out and suddenly, a soldier stopped my father who went up first, holding a white flag. I was behind my father as the soldier ordered him to stay where he was and abruptly, the same soldier shot him in the chest, killing him instantly.”

Muhammad’s 22-year-old nephew Alaa was also there that day.

“I heard the soldier telling Ramadan that his father, my uncle, was taken by the soldiers for medical aid and that he was not dead,” Alaa said. “But a few hours later, we found my uncle laying dead in an a partially-built bathroom in the garage,” Alaa told The Electronic Intifada, while showing a photo of his uncle’s body on his mobile phone.
Killings of civilians in Khuzaa

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/styles/large/public/140807-khuzaa.jpg?itok=GLUgeEIW

The killing of Muhammad Qdeih was not the only such crime in Khuzaa. Human Rights Watch collected testimonies of other crimes in the village between 23 and 25 July in which Israeli soldiers “killed civilians in apparent violation of the laws of war.”

On the morning of of 23 July, Israeli forces ordered a group of approximately one hundred Palestinians in Khuzaa to leave a home in which they had gathered to take shelter. “The first member to leave the house, Shahid al-Najjar, had his hands up but an Israeli soldier shot him in the jaw, seriously injuring him,” according to the testimonies collected by Human Rights Watch.

In another incident on 25 July, Israeli forces shelled a basement where 120 civilians were sheltering, killing three.

The survivors fled and walked to Khan Younis, “carrying white flags and raising their hands when they came across Israeli soldiers. An Israeli missile strike hit one group of them, killing a man and wounding his cousin,” Human Rights Watch reported.

Israeli strikes destroyed swaths of Khuzaa village east of Khan Younis, photographed on 5 August.
(Yasser Qudih)

Israel’s assault has so far left almost 1,900 Palestinians dead — one in every thousand residents of the occupied Gaza Strip. Each one had a life and a story that ended brutally.

Three months ago, Muhammad Qdeih left Gaza to pay a visit to his son Mahmoud in France. He had traveled abroad frequently, and, according to the family, lived for a spell in Spain, where he succeeded in obtaining citizenship.

“I feel very sorry and sad for the loss of my grandfather. He was so kind and tender to us all,” Iman Abu Rjaila, Mufida’s 18-year-old daughter, said.

“A month before the war on Gaza started, my grandfather used to call me every day from France to check on me as my high school exams were underway,” Iman said.

“Why did they kill him, why did they steal him from us?” she asked.

It is a question many bereaved and heartbroken families in the devastated Gaza Strip are posing as they wait to see what the days ahead will bring.

Rami Almeghari is a journalist and university lecturer based in the Gaza Strip.
buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 05:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
It's not the Palestinians sending those rockets;

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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buttflake
 
  -1  
Sat 9 Aug, 2014 05:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Where did I put my violin?
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oralloy
 
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Sun 10 Aug, 2014 04:52 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Truth be known: HAMAS IS A FREEDOM FIGHTER!

Nonsense. If Hamas desired freedom, they would have accepted one of the many many peace offers that Israel has offered over the decades.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sun 10 Aug, 2014 05:08 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
It doesn’t matter
that 58 seconds isn’t long enough
to find your wedding album
or your son’s favorite blanket
or your daughter’s almost completed college application
or your shoes
or to gather everyone in the house.

A couple weeks ago, when the bombing was more intense, I sat back with some pizza and Guinness and watched some of the bombing footage on al-Jazeera.

There was a clip they played, filmed by some Gazans on a rooftop or balcony or something, where one of those "warning shots" hit a building across the square.

The guys doing the filming started saying something like "That was bozo's house!" (I forget the actual name so let's just call him Bozo.) And they started yelling and pleading at Bozo and his family to hurry and get out. Their yelling and pleading got more intense as the seconds passed quickly by.

Then there was a big thud and Bozo's entire house was immediately engulfed in smoke except for the roof. A moment later, the roof collapsed down into the smoke. The people doing the filming yelled in agony as if they were watching a sporting match and the other team had just scored a critical point.

I thought then about the sort of people who support the Palestinians, and how those same people also support sending innocent people to prison.

Justice was done these past weeks in Gaza.
 

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