Iraq: we won, now let's leave

Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Wishing they were Jews are you Walter?

Okay, McG. Since you obviously can't stop these insults - YOU ARE AN AHOLE.

You decided to play your usual game Walter. I figured to give you what you were fishing for. Why else would you write that sarcastic drivel if not to bait me?

McGentrix wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

NickFun wrote:

Our version of winning: Kill hundreds of thousands, destroy entire towns, destroy the economy, eliminate their health care and schools, put a puppet government into office, allow Al Qaeda to go from non-existent to a threat to humanity. Let's raise the Stars and Stripes!

Most of that destruction is because of the insurgents, people we are trying to stop. The government was elected by the Iraqi people, and anyone could run in the election, so how do you figure it's a puppet government?

That's what people like him do. They see the negative in everything. I figure it's from a traumatic childhood experience.

Seriously. You really have to be a Negative Nancy to see the bad in fighting an illegal war that gets bloodier and bloodier each month.

Brandon9000 wrote:

NickFun wrote:

Our version of winning: Kill hundreds of thousands, destroy entire towns, destroy the economy, eliminate their health care and schools, put a puppet government into office, allow Al Qaeda to go from non-existent to a threat to humanity. Let's raise the Stars and Stripes!

Most of that destruction is because of the insurgents, people we are trying to stop. The government was elected by the Iraqi people, and anyone could run in the election, so how do you figure it's a puppet government?

Saddam, as evil as he was, kept the insurgents under control. We tend to look at things from the way WE are taught totally disregarding the way THEY were taught. We brought the insurgents in! We created this civil war! We have caused countless lives to be lost. But you may feel free to continue your deluded "we are better than them" attitude. In this country you have the right to be wrong!

Yes, and we really should be glad that only 1,227 Iraqi civilians were killed in June: hurrah! The civilan death toll is going down!

McGentrix wrote:

Wishing they were Jews are you Walter?

Okay, McG. Since you obviously can't stop these insults - YOU ARE AN AHOLE.

As to legality, most countries initiating wars in history have not sought the concurrence of the international community.

It's positively amazing just how weepy and sentimental some conservatives have gotten over the Iraqi people since 2003. It's almost enough to make one believe that these bleeding-hearts cared about the Iraqis all along. Of course, we didn't hear much about "the millions of Iraqis who desired a future free from tyranny" back in the '80s when Donald Rumsfeld was getting all chummy with Saddam Hussein, but I'm sure that was just an oversight. Likewise, the chorus of concern for the plight of the Iraqi people was decidedly muted during the Clinton administration, when continued sanctions cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis. No doubt the conservatives who clamored for intervention on behalf of the poor, downtrodden, freedom-loving Iraqis were equally vocal in favor of an invasion during the '90s -- it's just that the liberal media didn't cover all of their massive street demonstrations at the time.

It's positively amazing just how weepy and sentimental some conservatives have gotten over the Iraqi people since 2003. It's almost enough to make one believe that these bleeding-hearts cared about the Iraqis all along. Of course, we didn't hear much about "the millions of Iraqis who desired a future free from tyranny" back in the '80s when Donald Rumsfeld was getting all chummy with Saddam Hussein, but I'm sure that was just an oversight. Likewise, the chorus of concern for the plight of the Iraqi people was decidedly muted during the Clinton administration, when continued sanctions cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis. No doubt the conservatives who clamored for intervention on behalf of the poor, downtrodden, freedom-loving Iraqis were equally vocal in favor of an invasion during the '90s -- it's just that the liberal media didn't cover all of their massive street demonstrations at the time.

Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency after the Gulf war and used them to overthrow Saddam and allow for a new government then, instead, he listened to the UN that imposed sanctions against Iraq.

McGentrix wrote:

Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency after the Gulf war and used them to overthrow Saddam and allow for a new government then, instead, he listened to the UN that imposed sanctions against Iraq.

This is a lie, and Pappy Bush is on record with exactly why he did not invade and occupy Iraq. As for supporting an "insurrgency," he not only failed to do that, he would not even turn over to them the captured weapons they pleaded for to fight the Ba'athist regime.

Pappy Bush wrote, in a 1998 book:



Source at Snopes, which confirms the accuracy of the claim.

In fact, it is chillingly prophetic about the likely consequences of an invasion of Iraq.

Your a smart guy Joe, you've proven that in the past so it makes me wonder why you would act stupid like this. Our policy in the 80's was to ensure Iran did not usurp unnecessary power in the region and backed Iraq in a war against Iran. You know that of course, but act like you don't. Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency after the Gulf war and used them to overthrow Saddam and allow for a new government then, instead, he listened to the UN that imposed sanctions against Iraq. You know that, but act like you don't.

Saddam was a ruthless murderer in th 80's, the 90's, and the early 00's. Our foreign policy shifted as time progressed to the point where his threat and disobedience of UN sanctions demanded a military response. You know that, but act like you don't.

So, my question to you joefromchicago, why the heavy acting? Playing to the audience? Looking for praise from people like Montana who has a hard time knowing her elbow from her...?

McGentrix wrote:

Your a smart guy Joe, you've proven that in the past so it makes me wonder why you would act stupid like this. Our policy in the 80's was to ensure Iran did not usurp unnecessary power in the region and backed Iraq in a war against Iran. You know that of course, but act like you don't. Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency after the Gulf war and used them to overthrow Saddam and allow for a new government then, instead, he listened to the UN that imposed sanctions against Iraq. You know that, but act like you don't.

And you act like you care about the Iraqis.

McGentrix wrote:

Saddam was a ruthless murderer in th 80's, the 90's, and the early 00's. Our foreign policy shifted as time progressed to the point where his threat and disobedience of UN sanctions demanded a military response. You know that, but act like you don't.

Oh wait, you don't care about the Iraqis. Now it's all about violating UN resolutions, a pathetic excuse that has been so thoroughly discredited that even the Bush administration doesn't use it anymore.

McGentrix wrote:

So, my question to you joefromchicago, why the heavy acting? Playing to the audience? Looking for praise from people like Montana who has a hard time knowing her elbow from her...?

And she's a Jew-lover, no doubt. Don't forget that.

Ok, so just playing to the audience then. Good to know you have no actual thoughts on the topic beyond that.

How can my opinion be a lie? Did you miss the part where I stated "Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency"?

McGentrix wrote:

Ok, so just playing to the audience then. Good to know you have no actual thoughts on the topic beyond that.

If you took the trouble, you'd see that I started the topic. The real mystery here is why you jumped into this thread with your bathetic plea on behalf of the freedom-loving Iraqis.

McGentrix wrote:

How can my opinion be a lie? Did you miss the part where I stated "Bush Sr. should have supported the insurgency"?

You wrote: . . . instead, he listened to the UN that imposed sanctions against Iraq. That is what i quoted, and that is a lie. The book which Bush wrote with Brent Scowcroft, his national security adviser in the relevant period, and which i have quoted, clearly shows that he made his decision based upon his own reasoning, rather than that he "listened to the UN that imposed sanctions."