SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON ??

Hey, McG, since you're benefiting from Hillary's work for New York right now, does that make you a pimp?

Pimpin' ain't easy.

McG, I don't know how old you are or how long you've lived in NY state, but let me fill you in on a bit of law, in case you don't know it. NY has unusually liberal (if you'll pardon the expression) rules re how long one must live there before running for the Senate. And Hillary is not the first person to move there and run. In my memory (and I was living there at the time), Bobby Kennedy did it, and--here's someone more to your liking--William F. Buckley's brother did it, too.

So bash Hillary all you like, but it hardly seems fair to lay the charge of political whoredom on her...

Ok, RFK and Buckley's brother were whores as well.

Feel better?

She has no interest in who she is representing and only got elected by name recognition. She has no experience and it saddens me that people in New York City would elect her. I did my part and did not vote for her. Otehrwise, i am left no recourse but to complain about her.

McGentrix
She has more experience and is a hell of a lot smarter than most of the dunderheads now in congress. Rememer what your majority house leader was before coming to congress. An exterminator and he still acts the part.

What experience does she have? Being Bills sloppy seconds? A failed law practice? The ability to lie and hide documents?

McG

You're a smart guy, and that is a really dumb post.

A significant difference between McG and Hillary is that she goes to Washington an idealist, knowing that she's working even for people like McG, and still works hard. She doesn't suffer from the either/or brain defect or the moral cretinism which seems to affect at least one of her constituents. McG has an option: get the hell offline and spend that time volunteering for a candidate to replace Hillary. That's the democratic, mature option, isn't it?

Tartarin
Temper, temper. I know it is sometimes difficult.

I believe we have discussed this. I did campaign for Lazio. I did my part. Now I can sit back and bitch as much as I want about her and how much I hate to even look at a picture of her. You should be aware of this as you do it with Bush all the time.

McG's may seem a bit abrupt, but if someone is going to praise Hillary's experience, that experience, or lack of, does become fair game. Still, she did make a good call on some options, at one time. That's worth something.

Very nice to see you roger! Stop by more often.

Abruptness wasn't the problem with McG's post. It was the zero-brainer dehumanizing trick of demeaning a woman's character and capabilities through reference to her sexuality. The other two claims are merely silly.

Good post, Blatham. Thank you.

Ummm...Ok. Which of the following facts about Hillary are arguementative?

In 1979, the Clintons joined a company to peddle Arkansas real estate ?- not exactly a stellar growth sector. Their partners in the deal, who apparently bore most of the risk, were close friends, James and Susan McDougal. The development, known as Whitewater, went belly up.

During the '80s Hillary Clinton appeared largely unfazed by her husband's frequent womanizing. Clinton herself would later emerge as kind of a slightly scary sex symbol for many men, and Bill's meanderings perhaps reflected a desire for contrast, as he repeatedly sought out the trashiest and least imposing women Arkansas had to offer ?- which is saying a lot. Affairs firmly on the record included Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers, both of whom would go on to bare their assets in soft-core porn spreads, while rumor indicated anywhere from a few more dalliances to dozens of them.

One of the most repeated (but entirely unproven) rumors about Hillary Clinton's sex life was a whisper that she may have been involved with her close working partner Vincent Foster, another Rose Law Firm Partner.

The first thing Bill Clinton did on taking office was give Hillary the massive task of creating a health care reform plan, one of the key platform planks that had gotten him elected. Despite the fact that everyone pretty much agreed health care needed reform, the thousands of pages of proposals Hillary delivered to Congress provoked Republican hysteria about "big government" and mainstream dread at the thought of another monolithic mind-numbing bureaucracy to deal with. The end result was a humiliating defeat that sent Hillary back to cookie-baking detail.

Vince Foster "suicide" was the beginning of a long national nightmare. Hillary Clinton was dragged out of the kitchen, where her cookies were still cooling on the counter, to answer the questions of an insistent media. In an April 1994 press conference, she claimed that a) she had made her $1 million in commodities trading all by herself and b) she hadn't worked on a specific shady real estate deal related to Madison S&L.

In 1995, a couple crates of billing records related to various Whitewater issues mysteriously turned up in the White House residence.

The couple moved to New York, where they had lived their entire lives. At least, that was how they tried to pitch it to the New York voters, as Clinton made the jump from First Wronged Woman to wearing the political pants in the family.

Nearly two years into her Senate tenure, Clinton appears to be settling in as a pretty average Senator. Early polling showed her to be the front-runner among Democratic candidates for the 2004 presidential election, but she opted to stay put and build her resume for a while.

I smell right-wing cant in the above. Or something similar.

McG -- Do read the Garry Wills article in the NYRB(.com) about Hillary.

No, do you have a link?

Again I ask though, is any of that untrue?

In another thread (Dead Brothers) I wrote the following to McG.



I still feel that way -- however, in fairness to McG, his last post was much more mature and reasonably presented. I agree with Tartarin that the smell of a right-wing cant drifted up from the posting -- but it was measured, carefully thought out, and reasonably respectful.

I don't agree with most of what McG says (and in this instance with his inferences) -- but it is a pleasure to hear him say his piece in a reasonable way. Thanks McG.

Let's start on Dubya's outline of credentials, his resume if you will. Oh, but that's already been done and all the weak rationalizations and excuses have been heard. By the criteria set forth, Dubya has no business in the presidency.

Please peddle your Bush hatred on one of the multitude of other threads in this forum built for that pupose.

I was accused by Blatham of "Abruptness wasn't the problem with McG's post. It was the zero-brainer dehumanizing trick of demeaning a woman's character and capabilities through reference to her sexuality. The other two claims are merely silly.
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I responded with evidence to back up my initial "abruptness" and I am awaiting a valid arguement explaining the falsities of my statement.

Start on anything you want LW. The title of the discussion is still "SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON ??", if that makes any difference.