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World Condemns Bush for Decline of Human Rights in U.S.

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 17 Dec, 2007 10:24 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I wondered who'd be first to use that "argument".

Humnanitarian aid is suppled by many many nations and private agencies and does not give us the right to meddle in the affairs of sovereign countries.

There must be very, very extreme circumstances for us to have any reasonable excuse to meddle in the affairs of countries which have governments selected by their people. However, if the government consists of a thugs who rule their people by force, I see nothing particularly wrong, aside from practical considerations, with meddling when we can benefit from it. I don't think the sovereignty argument applies when a strongman forces the people of a country to submit to his rule against their will.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 10:07 am
blatham wrote:
woiyo

Don't even bother. We've caught you lying before and it's not pretty.


Really? WE'VE????? Who are the WE"VE and what makes you think your judgement is relative to any objective person?

You must really think highly of yourself, don't you Rolling Eyes

Now, do you care to speak to the subject or continue with your boring commentary?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 10:07 am
and how have we benefited from this Iraq debacle? Outside of bush and cheney and their war profiteering buddies of course.

Of what use to US... the average American citizen has this war been? New technologies? Cheaper energy? Our status in the world even better? Spirit of cooperation with the rest of the world? Citizens united towards a common goal of making OUR OWN country better?

And please PLEASE don't come back with this we haven't had an attack on US soil bullshit.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 10:17 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and how have we benefited from this Iraq debacle? Outside of bush and cheney and their war profiteering buddies of course.

Of what use to US... the average American citizen has this war been? New technologies? Cheaper energy? Our status in the world even better? Spirit of cooperation with the rest of the world? Citizens united towards a common goal of making OUR OWN country better?

And please PLEASE don't come back with this we haven't had an attack on US soil bullshit.


Not sure who you are addressing but if it is me we have gained NOTHING from Iraq except dead Americans.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 12:56 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I wondered who'd be first to use that "argument".

Humnanitarian aid is suppled by many many nations and private agencies and does not give us the right to meddle in the affairs of sovereign countries.


If a govt refuses to provide food for their starving population, arent we "meddling" if we provide emergency food for the people?
If a country cant or wont provide medical care for its citizens, arent we "meddling" if we provide medical aid?

If a country suffers some sort of natural disaster, arent we "meddling" if we step in and provide aid that the local govt either cant or wont provide?

You have an interesting definition of "meddling".
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 01:03 pm
well if by your definition we must stop humanitarian aid in order to also stop
declaring wars, telling people how to conduct themselves within their own borders and in general trying to bully people into being like our leaders, then yes let's also cut off all government provided humanitarian aid and let it be done privately.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 18 Dec, 2007 01:04 pm
woiyo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
and how have we benefited from this Iraq debacle? Outside of bush and cheney and their war profiteering buddies of course.

Of what use to US... the average American citizen has this war been? New technologies? Cheaper energy? Our status in the world even better? Spirit of cooperation with the rest of the world? Citizens united towards a common goal of making OUR OWN country better?

And please PLEASE don't come back with this we haven't had an attack on US soil bullshit.


Not sure who you are addressing but if it is me we have gained NOTHING from Iraq except dead Americans.


we are in total agreement here woiyo and always have been.
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