nimh wrote:The Vice-Chairman of the 9/11 Commission wrote:what we do not have, as the chairman said, is any evidence of a concrete collaborative operational agreement. Conversations, yes, but nothing concrete.
Sofia wrote:This Commission finding goes very far in proving the possibility that the DID work together--not that they didn't.
In any criminal case, a prosecutor sets out to prove two things, in the absence of witnesses to a crime: motive and opportunity.
Before the Commission, you will remember detractors of Bush's intel refuting the possibility that the two men A) were on speaking terms, due to their opposing religious beliefs, and B) ever met eitherpersonally or through intermediaries. This was the extent of the case against the possibility. Unlikely alliance, and no meeting.
The
Commission disproved the detractor's reasoning by showing proof that:
1) Saddam offered OBL safe haven in Iraq.
2) Saddam's intermediary did in fact meet with OBL at least three times.
Recently, the chairman of the 911 Commission stated that intel failures included the inability or lack of foresight in connecting important dots--meaning that you can't always rely on the facts being handed to you on a silver platter, with multiple sources. Sometimes, you have to look at the facts you DO have, and use reasonable judgement in figuring out what it means.
Bush did this, and has been castigated for it.
I can look at the facts uncovered by the Commission, and come to the hypothesis that OBL and Saddam were quite sympatico--and were trying to work together to a mutual goal.
Any goal of OBL's, including hiding from justice or furthering his objectives in ANY way are in diametric opposition to the best interests of the US and the free world. In offering him ANY help, Saddam is in league with OBL.
Did Saddam offer aid and comfort to OBL? Yes.
Did Saddam have motive to assist OBL? Yes.
Did Saddam have an opportunity to coordinate assistance to OBL? Yes.
Did Saddam actively assist in the planning of 911? I don't know. Neither do you.
Did Saddam and OBL, or their intermediaries meet more than once, signifying an on-going, mutual interest? Yes.
Is it a reasonable assumption that Saddam assisted, or made plans to assist OBL in some way? Yes.
Is it reasonable to assume that the assistance could have, or did enable OBL to enhance his terrorist objectives? Yes.
Did George Bush put a stop to Saddam's ability to assist OBL? Yes.
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Findings of the Commission, which would have lessened the possibiloity that Saddam and OBL were working together:
Some memo or document from OBL refusing Saddam's safe haven.
No finding of the two meeting inperson or through intermediaries.
Some memo or document of Saddam or OBL staing the other had made an overture that was rebuffed, signifying no continuing meetings.
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As it is, however, the findings of the Commission go further in proving an alliance, rather than the lack of one.
Pay attention to this wording:
is any
evidence of a
concrete collaborative operational agreement. Conversations, yes, but nothing concrete.
collaborative, operational agreement.
What would that be? A video, with a translator? Saddam pointing to maps, and OBL going, "BOOM!"