kuvasz wrote:OCCOM BILL wrote:kuvasz wrote:You earn respect, in the opposite manner you earn your rightly justified reprobation, by admitting your mistakes and following the paths to truth and not lying about it.
Really? So one couldn't, for instance, just post some interesting links in a friendly gesture, and avoid overt disclosure of foul? :wink:
Billy apparently, you'll need to re-read the thread so you can understand; I did exactly that for mysteryman, who rather than actually reading the thread reflexively posted to it with his usual Mr. Magoo-like insight that no leftie was calling for Jefferson's resignation. A few hours earlier on the same thread I had just done so, and pointed out to him the time of that earlier post. He ignored it the same way my dog does when I try to explain quantum electrodynamics to her. She's a pretty smart dog, too.
Rather than displaying any simple cogitation typical to adult humans, the poor boy simply did what he ever does, mouth off with conservative talking points instead of beginning with clear, rational thoughts based upon an objective view of the topic. He has shot himself in his toes so often by misfired quickdraws of nonsense that he ought to called "Stumpy," not Mysteryman.
Actually, it is funny, in a Barney Fife kind of way in that if one of my political allies acted so bad and posted such thoughtless nonsense I'd take him aside and tell him either to shut the fu*k up or bone up on things because he was making the team look bad. So thanks be to the Good Lord he's on the other side.
Reading and responding to stuff from the Righties is akin to Slo-Mo skeet shooting; its just so god-awful hard to miss the target.
Actually,I didnt ignore your links at all.
But,I have to work for a living,so I didnt see your links till just now.
I just got home from work,so if you will be decent enough to allow me to take a shower first,I will respond to them.
Till then,you are free to imagine whatever you want.
However,I did find this today...
http://www.sunherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/69291.html
Quote:Jefferson indicted; New Orleans recovery suffers more bad news
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
NEW ORLEANS --The corruption indictment today against U.S. Rep. William Jefferson dealt another setback to a city struggling to recover from the economic and political devastation of Hurricane Katrina.
The investigation surrounding Jefferson had crippled his position as a champion for the city long before the 16-count indictment was handed down in Virginia
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So now it seems that his being indicted will hurt New Orleans and its recovery efforts?
If he was that powerful,wouldnt NO already have ben rebuilt?
And apparently the biggest fear from this whole thing is this...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/04/AR2007060401664.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
Since its a subscription site,here is the whole article...
Quote:Democrats Fear a Wider Black Caucus-Pelosi Rift
By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, June 5, 2007; Page A04
Democratic leaders fear that Rep. William J. Jefferson's indictment yesterday on racketeering and bribery charges, coming exactly one year after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi engineered his ouster from the powerful Ways and Means Committee, could rekindle a smoldering dispute between the speaker and black lawmakers who were once pillars of her power.
For months, the Louisiana Democrat's mounting legal peril has bedeviled Democrats as they sought first to point to corruption as a tool to oust Republicans from control of Congress, then pressed for ethics and lobbying changes that they said would usher in a new era of clean politics on Capitol Hill. For every thrust Democrats made against the GOP, Republicans parried with Jefferson, saying problems in Congress were bipartisan.
Through it all, much of the Congressional Black Caucus has stood by Jefferson and against the Democratic leadership. And yesterday, Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.), a veteran caucus member, said it would be "as supportive of our colleague as possible, in terms of saying a person in America is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty."
Pelosi would not say what actions she would take, but she called the charges "extremely serious" and, if true, "an egregious and unacceptable abuse of public trust and power."
"Democrats are committed to upholding a high ethical standard and eliminating corruption and unethical behavior from the Congress," she said.
The Democratic steering committee, which sets committee assignments, will convene this week to consider whether to remove Jefferson from his last committee post: a seat on the Small Business Committee, a relative backwater of power. Senior House Democratic leadership aides said he almost certainly would be dropped. Some leadership aides suggested emissaries could be dispatched within days to ask for Jefferson's resignation from the House.
"I can't imagine that based on what's happened and what we've done [on ethics rules changes and lobbying legislation] that at the very least, he'll be asked to step down from committee," said House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), who stressed that he was not speaking for the leadership. "We've set down a pretty clear marker about what's going to be expected."
Last year, Republicans faced a predicament as two indicted members, Reps. Tom DeLay (Texas) and Robert W. Ney (Ohio), held on for months against calls for their resignation. Now the tables have turned, with House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) moving as soon as today to seek an ethics committee review of Jefferson's indictment, with instructions to report back within 30 days on whether he should be expelled. The resolution would also force a vote to strip Jefferson of his last committee seat.
Democratic leaders scrambled last night to stay ahead of Boehner, seeking assurances from the ethics panel that an investigation of Jefferson that was authorized last year is well underway. Some Democrats made it clear they did not intend to let Republicans drive the process.
"For the good of the people of Louisiana's 2nd District, who have been through so much, we hope this matter is quickly resolved," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Senior leadership aides cautioned that a quick resignation under pressure could set a dangerous precedent, suggesting that a politicized Justice Department could target troublesome lawmakers with specious indictments. Jefferson spokeswoman Remi Braden-Cooper said that neither the congressman nor his staff had been contacted by the speaker's office.
But other Democratic aides said there was nothing specious about a 16-count indictment, complete with the lurid details of $90,000 in cash bundled in Jefferson's freezer. For Democrats, the vision of Jefferson moving about the Capitol for months would be a nightmare as they push to complete final ethics and lobbying changes.
With lawmakers just beginning to return to Washington from a week-long break, it was not clear last night whether Jefferson's indictment would unite Democrats against the nine-term House member, or whether it would reignite tensions between the black Caucus and Pelosi. She made a "culture of corruption" a central attack line in last year's campaign against Republicans.
A serious rupture with the black caucus would divide Democrats at a time when unity is needed to confront Republicans on the war in Iraq and as they face off with President Bush on domestic spending. Despite Davis's initial statement of support, many prominent black lawmakers remained silent. A spokesman for Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said she would not discuss Jefferson's case.
But last June, many members of the caucus were incensed when the Democratic Caucus voted to remove Jefferson from the Ways and Means Committee, where he had a hand in tax, trade and health-care policy. Federal investigators were closing in on Jefferson, with guilty pleas from his business associates and word of cash found bundled in his freezer.
The black caucus accused Pelosi of a racially tinged double standard. As she was moving against Jefferson, she allowed Rep. Alan B. Mollohan (D-W.Va.), who is white, to remain on the Appropriations Committee despite dealing with his own federal investigation. Mollohan, now chairman of the Appropriations subcommittee that funds the departments of Commerce and Justice, did recuse himself in issues involving federal law enforcement.
So,the dems biggest fear is that this will upset the CBC?
That doesnt say much for them,IMHO.
