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Polish jokes

 
 
iamarebus
 
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Reply Thu 25 Sep, 2008 01:00 pm
After reading on a web forum someone stating they were Polish, but then quickly asserting that they were not stupid, I did a wiki search on 'famous Polish people'. The results were quite impressive to say the least.

Not only, in my estimation, are the 'stupid' (I abhor that word) ones the people *telling the jokes*, but that our world would be very backwards indeed without the brilliance that came/comes from the Polish people, and people of Polish decent.

As far as WWII is concerned funnily enough the defeat of the Germans in WWII can arguably be contributed to a Polish man named Marian Rejewski (part of a group of 3 Polish men led by one Lt. Józef Serafin Stanslicki called the Cipher Bureau). He solved what was called the German military model, Wehrmacht Enigma, of the Enigma machine.

This led to an intelligence program named ULTRA which Eisenhower said was 'decisive' in ending the war, and was reported to have said may have shortened the war by as much as two years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Poles
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 01:26 pm
@literarypoland,
literarypoland wrote:

Poland was a young country in 1939, after just 21 years of American-backed independence. Earlier it had been occupied (for 123 years!) by Russia, Prussia and Austria. There had been three major uprisings against the Russians, who had the east with Warsaw. Poland emerged in 1918 as a patriotic republic similar to Ireland. That's why there were almost no collaborators here, and real fighting.
5 million Poles died in the war, 3 million of them Jewish.
My great-grandfather (not Jewish) was gassed in Auschwitz after 3 years there.
I have recently read about anti-Jewish pogroms (Wikipedia: Pogrom) and they seem to be a Ukrainian thing, or rather generally tzarist-Russian.
Though it can't be denied that in the years after Hitler's rise to power the de facto military dictatorship in Poland maintained quite friendly relations with Germany (Mussolini-like) and that there was an anti-Jewish party here (England-like). However, these people were not ready to become collaborators and many were murdered by Germans.


The above statistic that, "5 million Poles died in the war, 3 million of them Jewish" ignores the fact that many Catholic Poles were quite comfortable with anti-Semitism as part of the popular culture. So, the Jews in Poland really did not have the luxury of feeling as though they were true Poles.

I have heard stories of Poles teaching their dogs to chase Jewish children that were walking to school, which if you know American history, has a parallel story in the Old South.

The Jews in Poland that died did not have the luxury of dying with their boots on, so to speak, unless they joined the Soviet Red Army. Normally, they were just rounded up and shot, or sent to a concentration camp. That does not, in my opinion, whitewash the one-thousand year history of Polish anti-Semitism.

Anyway, the Poles I have met in the U.S. , that were American born, tended to be quite intelligent, and educated. Smarter, in my opinion, than many of those that ever shared a joke that had Poles as the butt (of the joke).

Also, perhaps some connection can be made for the Polish language being similar to Russian, yet their alphabet is with Latin letters. To me this implies that two different countries/cultures where running through their backyard throughout a good portion of history. Could this be the downside of not being warlike?

talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 01:18 am
I thought maybe it was Republican Barry Goldwater, a Polish Jew, that people were poking fun at. Many poked fun of Barry Goldwater's political solutions and especially words such as "Moderation is no virtue and extremism is no vice." Or it could be social hierarchy thing as Foofie pointed out. In Canada, the inhabitants of Newfoundland are known as 'Newfies' and substitude Newfie for Polish and you have Newfie jokes. Of course, Newfoundland was a penitentiary like Australia where they sent people to for minor infractions of the law and instead of filling up the jails in England (petty criminals) so maybe that is how the jokes started.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 03:50 am
@Foofie,
Hungarians are not Slavs, their language is not Slavic, but Ugro-Finnic.
I believe that second-generation immigrants have it better than newcomers. They speak American English from birth, and many people of Polish descent have attained high posts in the US, though they may not speak Polish at all. Brzezinski is probably the best example.
Sputnik - the result of an extreme Soviet concentration on weaponry, at the expense of ordinary citizens. Pyrrhic victory and pure propaganda.
I've recently read a book on Switzerland by a Polish correspondent from around 1978. He described the country in a highly intellectual manner, as an experienced journalist, its past and the present situation, then started to explain where one could eat the cheapest food, and that it was advisable to ask for children's versions of dishes because they were cheaper and not so small.
Now the discrepancies are smaller, but history is partly to blame, the chaos in Eastern Europe.
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literarypoland
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 03:54 am
@iamarebus,
Poland was once the 4th most powerful state in the world - probably after Spain, France, Britain.
literarypoland
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 04:00 am
@Foofie,
Poland is seen here as an 'old' country, and Russia as a 'new' country. Around 1600 Russia started to overtake us - technologically, militarily, though not necessarily culturally.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 04:07 am
@literarypoland,
Unless there is some genetic mutation in the genes of Polish people (if it even was distinguishable from other peoples' genes around), there are smart people, stupid people, skilled people, clutzes, pretty and ugly. The normal curve.

Poland may have been a great state once. So were other states. So? Is there any benefit in dwelling in nostalgia of the glorious old days?
patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 08:25 am
@dagmaraka,
Now I think I'm going down to the well tonight
and I'm going to drink till I get my fill
And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it
but I probably will
Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture
a little of the glory of, well time slips away
and leaves you with nothing mister but
boring stories of glory days
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 08:30 am
@literarypoland,
Quote:
Polish jokes...


You mean, like

What do you call a demokkkrat who marries a pollack?? .....
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 09:20 am
@literarypoland,
Poland got caught in the same trap France did after WW-I. Tanks and aircraft had become major military expense items along with capital ships and unlike capital ships, they became outmoded in five or six years.

France and Poland fell into the same trap of approaching that one the worst possible way, i.e. build an entire new generation of hardware and spread it out in their military, and then watch it get outmoded six years later without any major war having occurred. Their militaries stayed outmoded after that.

England made a policy of prototyping new generations of hardware without really paying for producing them and counting on their navy to keep them safe for a year after a major war started while they ramped up on latest stuff everywhere else. They got lucky and it worked.

The third approach was to build an entire new generation of hardware, spread it out in your military, and then simply go for it on the general assumption that how much you owed the banks would cease to matter on the day you were proclaimed king or Kha-khan of the entire world. That was Hitler's approach.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 12:21 pm
@patiodog,
I prefer the "small histories", those actually lived, to the largely imagined "big histories". Glorious old days are personal to me. To those I'll drink often in my old age.
patiodog
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 12:42 pm
@dagmaraka,
(ahem) mebbe i should've attributed to mr. springsteen explicitly there...
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 12:55 pm
@patiodog,
i knew it was aaaht.
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