Lady liberty is holding what book in her hand?

I started wowing around page one and as much as I tried to stop myself from reading on, there was a force stronger than I, which carried me, somehow, the rest of the way Shocked

It must be Gods doing Cool

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I haven't seen a thread this weird since I tried to talk to Chaiya on Abuzz.

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Yeah, she was pretty out there Shocked

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Oh.God. Chaiya...

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If we can be serious for just a moment.

Rex Red tries to make the leap from finding a phrase in the Bible to connecting it to the present day. The phrase -Law of Liberty- he believes was original to and solely found in the Bible. Leaving aside the fact that there are multitudes of translations, he also reaches the conclusion that because we have both laws and liberty presently, Christianity is thus responsible for the making of this nation and, just to add a little weirdness to the mix, is behind the hidden meanings of the Statue of Liberty in New York harbor.

He misses a couple of things, actually a couple of hundred things, but who's counting? First, the Greeks (to whom the Biblical writers were speaking) and others, including most of the people of the present Middle East, were very familiar with the idea of a law of liberty well before Paul or Timothy or any of the other Christian folks showed up. But it wasn't the kind of liberty that Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton and Washington thought of in 1776. No, it was not.

It was the ancient concept of liberty, the ability of a man (sorry, no women yet) to participate in the governance of the city-state. See the LINK for an excellent review of the differences.

It wasn't the single phrase that Rex found in the Bible that coalesced into the idea of freedom and liberty that existed at the time of the Revolution. For that idea we must seek out Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Descartes and the other great thinkers of the Enlightenment. The writers of the Federalist Papers and the Constitution didn't use the Bible as a guide to finding the path to liberty,( how could they when at it's core the Bible teaches that enslavement of fellow humans is permitted by God?) they used Voltaire and the others who were, for them, the modern thinkers of the day.

The concept of liberty in the ancient world and the one we find protected in the Constitution are two entirely different ideas. Ideas, especially those of individual rights, are plastic, elastic things. Our present day idea of liberty is not the same as the one glowing in the mind of Nathan Hale as they hanged him. The Founding Fathers would be pleased but a little shocked by the liberties we now enjoy. What would they think of a creature like Brittany Spears and how would they take the ideas of unions for working men and the right not to be interrogated by the authorities outside of the presence of your attorney?

Rex, buddy, words and their meanings change. The little phrase you discovered has nothing to do with the Lady of the Harbor.

Joe(She's a swell gal. Now leave her alone to watch over us)Nation

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Amazing. I wonder how a book of that shape was bound. I'll pay big money for the original, in any condition. Laughing

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dyslexia wrote:

I'm really quite amazed by how many posters continue to place real toads in Mr Red's imaginary garden.

I love this quote.

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I'm looking forward to having my semi-annual visit with The Lady next week.

Thanks, JoeNation, for re-introducing me to her 2 years ago. I've been back to see her on every trip since.

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RexRed wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Self worship leads to people who well... worship themselves...

Exactly. So YOU should start there, too. Worship your thought a little less and you'll be a little less unpleasant to others.

I prefer to be pleasant to God, not others...

from my readings, your god is a vicious, unpleasant petty being, you should get along well together

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RexRed wrote:

I dropped a few pegs true then I attained a hight not achieved in centuries...

The LAW OF LIBERTY...

If you recall I did start this post off with that ideal.

So the ideal was there but no one was interested to give it some serious thought or credence.

This law of liberty is the key that unlocks the statue's mysteries. To conclude she is not a pagan symbol but a Christian one...

Her message is derived directly out of the Christian new testament and this very law of liberty is what makes America great. It was the law of liberty that all men are CREATED equal (which is also out of the new testament.) i.e. "God is no respecter of persons"

This is what sparked the change in the year zero and found it's way to the new world.

I had all of the pieces of the puzzle but I had not assembled the entire picture.

With little help form you all and actually much impedance I still obtained the prize.

There is more that the lady of the "law of liberty" has to reveal.

Maybe in another post.

I challenge you to find this "law of liberty" elsewhere other than the Bible...

You may think back on how childish and immature this discussion turned all out of boastful arrogance and the tired blindness of the atheistic self worshiping dogma.

Now it is I who stands upon a firm footing and pedestal and you who are resting upon sinking sands...

Pathetic. Since your ideas were so impotent you've turned your attention inward and now are inflating the value. It's wildly humorous to see your display.

I guess if you can't lie to us, you can lie to yourself alll you want.

You made your sand castle, and while brave you stayed in it as the tide approached. Now that the tide is gone, it's just pathetic that you want us to respect your fortress or "truth."

megalomanic.
lair.
coward.

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rosborne979 wrote:

I haven't seen a thread this weird since I tried to talk to Chaiya on Abuzz.

You can live it all over again.

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djjd62 wrote:

RexRed wrote:
dagmaraka wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Self worship leads to people who well... worship themselves...

Exactly. So YOU should start there, too. Worship your thought a little less and you'll be a little less unpleasant to others.

I prefer to be pleasant to God, not others...

from my readings, your god is a vicious, unpleasant petty being, you should get along well together

Comment: Perhaps you missed this verse...

1John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Comment: But denying the truth of the word of God gives you a license to treat people with animosity... right? People extrapolate whatever verses that give them the green light to hate with hypocrisy... There is a thing called scope... You all seem to know the beginning of the Bible and the wars fought in God's name yet you miss the end where the Bible reveals there are TWO Gods one false one and one true one... So your spirit defaults to the false god of this world.. Or self worship... You are then blinded from subsequent spiritual thought, reason and logic by your own brilliance... Or should I say "self enlightenment"... LUCIFER

Oh and this verse...

1John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him

Comment:

Sociopaths...

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Diest TKO wrote:

RexRed wrote:
I dropped a few pegs true then I attained a hight not achieved in centuries...

The LAW OF LIBERTY...

If you recall I did start this post off with that ideal.

So the ideal was there but no one was interested to give it some serious thought or credence.

This law of liberty is the key that unlocks the statue's mysteries. To conclude she is not a pagan symbol but a Christian one...

Her message is derived directly out of the Christian new testament and this very law of liberty is what makes America great. It was the law of liberty that all men are CREATED equal (which is also out of the new testament.) i.e. "God is no respecter of persons"

This is what sparked the change in the year zero and found it's way to the new world.

I had all of the pieces of the puzzle but I had not assembled the entire picture.

With little help form you all and actually much impedance I still obtained the prize.

There is more that the lady of the "law of liberty" has to reveal.

Maybe in another post.

I challenge you to find this "law of liberty" elsewhere other than the Bible...

You may think back on how childish and immature this discussion turned all out of boastful arrogance and the tired blindness of the atheistic self worshiping dogma.

Now it is I who stands upon a firm footing and pedestal and you who are resting upon sinking sands...

Pathetic. Since your ideas were so impotent you've turned your attention inward and now are inflating the value. It's wildly humorous to see your display.

I guess if you can't lie to us, you can lie to yourself alll you want.

You made your sand castle, and while brave you stayed in it as the tide approached. Now that the tide is gone, it's just pathetic that you want us to respect your fortress or "truth."

megalomanic.
lair.
coward.

mirror...

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RexRed wrote:

dagmaraka wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Self worship leads to people who well... worship themselves...

Exactly. So YOU should start there, too. Worship your thought a little less and you'll be a little less unpleasant to others.

I prefer to be pleasant to God, not others...

Aha. So you prefer to be pleasant to God, not others. Here are some quotes for you from your Bible Which is, supposedly, what your God would prefer you to do:

Part of the Lord's Prayer:
Forgive us our [debts], as we forgive our [debtors]. (Some translations of Matthew 6:12 have debts or trespasses, while Luke 11:4 has sins)
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 19:19; Matthew 22:39) (Mark 12:31) (Luke 10:27) (Romans 13:9) (James 2:8)
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (Galatians 5:14)

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:36-40)

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." (Luke 6:30-31)

"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." (Luke 10:25-28)

"Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10)

In his parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), Jesus expanded the concept of "neighbor" beyond its traditional meaning as "kinsman."

This ethic also appears in the Gospel of Thomas, an apocryphal, Gnostic gospel: "...and don't do what you hate...",

REMEMBER: Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you

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dagmaraka wrote:

RexRed wrote:
dagmaraka wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Self worship leads to people who well... worship themselves...

Exactly. So YOU should start there, too. Worship your thought a little less and you'll be a little less unpleasant to others.

I prefer to be pleasant to God, not others...

Aha. So you prefer to be pleasant to God, not others. Here are some quotes for you from your Bible Which is, supposedly, what your God would prefer you to do:

Part of the Lord's Prayer:
Forgive us our [debts], as we forgive our [debtors]. (Some translations of Matthew 6:12 have debts or trespasses, while Luke 11:4 has sins)
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 19:19; Matthew 22:39) (Mark 12:31) (Luke 10:27) (Romans 13:9) (James 2:8)
"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (Galatians 5:14)

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:36-40)

"Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." (Luke 6:30-31)

"And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live." (Luke 10:25-28)

"Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:8-10)

In his parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), Jesus expanded the concept of "neighbor" beyond its traditional meaning as "kinsman."

This ethic also appears in the Gospel of Thomas, an apocryphal, Gnostic gospel: "...and don't do what you hate...",

REMEMBER: Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you

I might mention Jesus Christ lived under the law of the prophets where with the epistle logic we live under the law of liberty...

Are they the same thing?

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i don't care. i'm not christian.

all i'm saying is that you, as a good christian, should be good to others. it says so in your bible.

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Dagmaraka,

One loose end I need to tie up.

I am sorry for saying I don't care.

I do care.

:wink:

Simply that...

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dagmaraka wrote:

i don't care. i'm not christian.

all i'm saying is that you, as a good christian, should be good to others. it says so in your bible.

Don't hold someone to a standard that you yourself do not obey...

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First of all, I try.

Secondly, I never said "I prefer to be nice to God, not others'. You did. I responded, because you were asking for it. You quote Bible in every other post but when it, Godforbid, applies to you, you will seek your way out by pointing your finger to me?

Sure, best defense is attack. Just not very christianly.

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