Torture, Al-Qaeda Style

Yup. Most of the abu Gahrib pictures barely met that same level as some college hazing rituals. It was wrong, it was abuse not torture, and it was prosecuted.


Look at the manual I posted above. I think there is a line between the difference. Both wrong but murder is worse than assault.




take a look at this:


**2005 University South Carolina Winthrop University police will not file charges against fraternity members suspected of requiring pledges to take part in hazing rituals, school officials said Friday. But at least 12 members of the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house could still be punished under the school's student conduct code, with penalties ranging from reprimands to expulsion, according to university spokeswoman Judy Longshaw. Winthrop officials say members required the five pledges to submit to physical endurance tests, prolonged sleep deprivation, verbal abuse, psychological intimidation and shoving during the fall semester before they could become part of the fraternity. No one was hurt, but the school said it took action after finding the rituals interfered with the students' academic demands and posed a threat to their health level.


And


2005 High School Hazing incident at McDowell (NC) Two co-captains of the McDowell wresting team admit their teammates hazed three younger classmen wrestlers. Five upper classmen wrestlers - four of whom still remain on the team, were punished by school officials for hazing three freshmen wrestlers, on January 7th or 8th. The hazing incident involved an act, called tea bagging, and occurred after wrestling practice inside the school.


and


2005 High School Donna High School (Texas) Two student athletes accused of sexually assaulting freshman football players were arrested Wednesday. Donna police reports show that Leal and Magallanes were among a group of senior students who allegedly took freshman players into the locker room showers, where the freshmen suffered hazing involving sexual assault.


I didnt look hard. There are worse.....

Then why were those people prosecuted?

What's ridiculous is that many people died in Abu Ghraib, and quite a few of them were beat to death in one fashion or another.

That's torture no matter how you slice it

Cycloptichorn

So were those in the hazing incidents.


I am not excusing the abuse, I am simply pointing out it was a far cry from torture.

Who died? which one are you speaking of I can easily discuss the specifics if you bring them up. How did they kill them? Can you be killed without being tortured?



Let me clarify my position:


The Abuses by the individuals at Abu Gharib were abhorant and those who perpetrated it were prosecuted when the US Army contacted the red cross about the incidents and opened an investigation. We do not torture and as a society we have the best and the worst in the military the same as we have in civillian society.

The enemy believes in torture as a warfare method.

Good round up Abu Ghraib here:

http://www.answers.com/topic/abu-ghraib-torture-and-prisoner-abuse-1

So do we. Waterboarding is torture and so are many other of the methods we use. The fact that some of the top NeoCons have decided to redefine torture does not make their definitions accurate in the least.

I suggest you read up on all the **** that went down if you believe in your heart that it was hazing, or that anyone has actually been held responsible for torturing and murdering people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse#More_evidence_of_torture

I also suggest you examine the fact that this abuse and torture did not begin until certain people were sent over from Guantanamo with the mission of getting information on Saddam's hiding place - now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302380.html

None of those who were involved in the interrogation training or directing, who oversaw the MI, were punished in any fashion. The general who was punished was a scapegoat.

Those who instituted the interrogation practices were almost uniformly radical Christian Evangelicals who saw themselves as 'warriors of god,' and didn't give a damn about the infidels' lives.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1220781,00.html

And, it wasn't just a few 'bad apples' at Abu Ghraib either - there is an endemic problem with the abuse of prisoners in the Middle East:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/03_2005_Bazelon.html

Cycloptichorn