new iraq bill..utter bullshit

I think if we are still in Iraq with no measurable progress, retreating would be a welcome relief rather than political suicide. If there is measurable progress, all the better reason to leave and start taking care of our own country and other issues needing attention. I think it would be one of the first things a democrat president would do with the full support of the country.

Also with Iraq falling into anarchy after a withdrawal with the killings and what not how positive would it remain for a dem prez. Lets also not forget the recent intel info about AQIZ (Al Qaeda in Iraq) would retreat really be a positive thing and remain so?


i dont think so

DTOM, We all know that ain't gonna happen, because Bush just finished building the largest US embassy in the world in Baghdad; a whole city with apartments, stores, theaters, and the "embassy" - with the American flag flying from the mast.

Don't matter with chaos surrounding the whole shebang. They still don't want to call it a 'civil war.'

reverend hellh0und wrote:

Also with Iraq falling into anarchy after a withdrawal with the killings and what not how positive would it remain for a dem prez. Lets also not forget the recent intel info about AQIZ (Al Qaeda in Iraq) would retreat really be a positive thing and remain so?


i dont think so

okay fine. the violence between sunnis and shia has been going on for +/- 1400 years. read it again; fourteen hundred years.

the only reason there was an interuption in iraq was because saddam hussein was an equal opportunity murderer and wasn't about to let anyone rock his boat.

with that in mind, how long do believe that we should maintain combat troops in iraq ? and don't go to the "as iraqis stand up, we'll stand down" thing. they ain't standing and they don't seem to want what bush is trying to force down their throats; democracy.

how enthusiastic are our swell palls in the iraqi government to get it done ? uuhhh. well the real enthusiasm seems to be for still sneaking in that 2 or 3 month vacation this summer. so they can take their freshly printed visas and go someplace that doesn't suck, and party.

if that doesn't tell you what's going on, nothin will.

screw 'em (wasn't legends of the fall a great flick ). pack up, toss 'em the keys, give a hearty "good luck" and remind them that if we ever have to come back because of their bullsh*t, it won't be to win hearts and minds, but to scatter them via a whole shitload of 500 pounders.

it's just not real smart to keep playin' when the deck goes cold, ya know ?

I'm not sure anyone can call it an improvement, but at least during Saddam's time, nobody had to worry about continuous bombings and hundreds dying almost daily. What's even worse today is simply that they have less electricity, clean water, and gasoline today compared to Saddam's time.

UPDATE: Roll call is HERE. Voting no:

Boxer (D-CA)
Burr (R-NC)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coburn (R-OK)
Dodd (D-CT)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Obama (D-IL)
Sanders (I-VT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

UPDATE: This bill also includes a $2.10 increase in the minimum wage, the first raise in over a decade.

UPDATE II: Roll call on the Iraq vote is HERE. Eighty-six Democrats joined 194 Republicans and voted for the bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) was the only member of House leadership of either party to vote against the war funding.

Comparing life in Iraq under Saddam with that experienced today

(March 17, 2006) (things haven't improved)

(click on the chart for comparisons under saddam hussien and 2006 on various issues such as political freedom, safety, basic services...)

It seems to me they traded one hell for another hell.

I'm not sure anyone can call it an improvement, but at least during Saddam's time, nobody had to worry about continuous bombings and hundreds dying almost daily. What's even worse today is simply that they have less electricity, clean water, and gasoline today compared to Saddam's time.

revhell prefers to live in hell on earth over sweet nothings mouthed over a few hundred years ago. I personally prefer to live in an environment where my life isn't at risk 24/7.

I thank the vets for serving in the military of our country; but not for the ill-conceived and illegal war in Iraq. They're being treated like shite by this president, but you morons don't know it. He cut funding for veteran's benefits and services by over 15 percent beginning next year at a time when more veterans will be coming home with physical and mental injuries. People like you are part of the problem for supporting a dangerous moron like Bush. I am happy to see the most recent polls on Bush at new lows; it goes to show more Americans are realizing Bush is incompetent and a loser.

revehell, I'm a vet, but not as a wartime serviceman. That means my interest for the veterans that are now getting benefits and services are the one's who will suffer; not me.

All you need to do is go to a Search engine on the net to find the Bush budget for veterans. It's really easy to find. After you find them, come back and report to us what you find. If this doesn't wake you up from your stupor, nothing will. BTW, also look for the co-pays for your benefits and drugs that's included in the "budget."