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Wolfowitz : "If they f**k with me..."

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:07 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
blueflame1 wrote:
georgeob, Wolfie promised to fight corruption when he took over. Including the kind of corruption he is guilty of and admitted to. The hypocrisy is not trivial. Compared to lying us into a war in Iraq it is trivial but still it is no small thing to be caught doing what he had sworn to stop others from doing. Poor Wolfie is exposed as a crook and a great big crybaby. I'm almost embarrassed for him.


I have several aquaintences who work at the World Bank. They are highly paid drones who get by very well with very little accountability. The notion that Wolfowitz, by this action, violated existing standards in that rather ineffective organization does not pass the laugh test.

Whether one agrees with Wolfowitz' political views or not, this was a hatchet job done for reasons other than those being put forward by the supposedly outraged governors. Some outrage!


It's amazing to me that you would defend a man whose purported mission at the World Bank was to crack down on corruption, yet gave his girlfriend inappropriate raises.

George, have you been able to figure out exactly what it is that Mrs. Riza does for the state dept. now - for which she recieves a tax-free salary that exceeds Rice's? It seems to me that this is the very definition of a useless bueracracy...

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 06:22 pm
georgeob, That the world bank officers are not all that ethical doesn't make Wolfowitz' any less guilty of conflict of interest. You need to put away your laugh meter; it's broken.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 07:51 pm
I'll buy that it's a hatchet job. However, it's still an indication of what is fundamentally wrong with this administration -- namely that they can't seem to get along with others and convey a general sense that they are above the law or can operate outside of established procedures. There are times when such cavalier attitudes, when combined with competence and focus, are welcome. Then there are times like these.

I won't cry over Wolfowitz or any other Bush/Cheney crony that gets their comeuppance.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 08:48 pm
"Wolfowitz Out". Cool That plus his girl took the money and ran. Love hurts.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 08:50 pm
Agreeing with freeduck yet again..
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 08:52 pm
He's toast as of nine o'clock tomorrow.

Joe(buh-bye)Nation
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 09:44 pm
Wolfowitz Resigns From World Bank
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 09:48 pm
This from an earlier NYTimes article on Wolfowitz:

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 09:50 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's amazing to me that you would defend a man whose purported mission at the World Bank was to crack down on corruption, yet gave his girlfriend inappropriate raises.

George, have you been able to figure out exactly what it is that Mrs. Riza does for the state dept. now - for which she recieves a tax-free salary that exceeds Rice's? It seems to me that this is the very definition of a useless bueracracy...

Cycloptichorn


His mission at the World Bank involved many things, and it is entirely possible that we are seeing a revolt by a too comfortable bureaucracy against a leader who demanded change they didn't want. International bureaucracies seem to be a bit worse in this area than others -- as we have repeatedly seen at the UN.

I don't know that the raise was inappropriate, as I don't know either her previous or present duties - I doubt that you do either.

I believe Cabinet Secretaries make $250K/year - so your suggection that she makes more than Rice is simply wrong. Government salaries are generally lower than those that prevail in comparable positions in industry & business - particularly finance & banking. There are numerous employees in the World Bank who make a good deal more than the president. Money and power are fungible in the professional world, and the government provides power in lieu of money.

Finally it is worth remembering that the individual involved was transferred involuntarily from a position she had held for some time, for the convenience of the Bank, and on a matter that had nothing to do with her performance. A degree of generosity is rather common in such situations.

The pay raise may well have been excessive. However there has been nothing in the public reporting that would clarify that matter one way or the other. Indeed the absence of any facual details is itself a bit stunning, and tends to confirm my suspicions about the motives of those who appear so outraged and indignant now.

I also find it odd that the outrage over this event is so much louder than that which followed the discovery that former President Clinton was selling legal pardons in the last hours of his term of office.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:28 pm
Says you. Many of us were not pleased with Clinton's pardons.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:30 pm
NYTimes editorial on Clinton's pardons.


http://www.mishalov.com/Clinton_IndefensiblePardon.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:32 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Wolfowitz Resigns From World Bank announced his resignation as president of the World Bank Thursday evening after the bank's board accepted his claim that his mistakes at the bank were made in good faith.[/[/color]quote]


Good faith?
Oh honestly!
As if anyone believes that!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:34 pm
msolga, The whole system is corrupted, because it's an "old boys" network of you pat my back, I'll pat yours. On this score, georgeob is spot on!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:42 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
msolga, The whole system is corrupted, because it's an "old boys" network of you pat my back, I'll pat yours. On this score, georgeob is spot on!


I haven't followed this nearly as closely as you US folk have, ci, but to me it's astonishing that he wasn't fired & was actually allowed to negotiate the terms of his resignation. Different rules for powerful, I guess ...
So I suppose there's a hefty golden handshake, then?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:52 pm
msolga, Here's a link that identifies many of the problems associated with the World Bank and IMF.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/wbimf/reformWorldBank.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:58 pm
Here's a good article on World Bank Problems.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/39461/controversy-over-wolfowitz-highlights-world-bank-problems/
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 10:59 pm
Thanks, ci.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:01 am
You're welcome. I needed to read some of those article too for my own curiosity. I had some general ideas about the World Bank, but as the world progressed into the 21st century, it seems that the spread between rich and poor has increased - not decreased as hoped by the World Bank's objectives. They have failed miserably - especially in places like Africa and India.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:14 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
They have failed miserably - especially in places like Africa and India.


Small wonder, with the folk they have in charge!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:26 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're welcome. I needed to read some of those article too for my own curiosity. I had some general ideas about the World Bank, but as the world progressed into the 21st century, it seems that the spread between rich and poor has increased - not decreased as hoped by the World Bank's objectives. They have failed miserably - especially in places like Africa and India.


I don't agree. The World Bank has not failed either Africa or India. They failed themselves.

India's development was hindered for many years by the foolish socialist policies and the pervasive bureaucracy of an Indian government, with to few people posessed of a technical education. No amount of lending could overcome these obstacles, both self-created and products of the colonial legacy. Now that the Indian government has abandoned socialism and emphasized technical education, a self-created economic boom has resulted. This could easily have happened decades sooner if they had changed their political alignment.

Similarly the first generation of post colonial governments in Africa foolishly embraced socialist and central planning models of government. These systems have produced uniform poverty wherever they were applied, and they certainly had a disastrous effect on post colonial development in Africa. Additionally the authoritarian political structures of many African governments and the widespread corruption that is pervasive from Nigeria to Kenya have needlessly wasted huge resources - including grants and loans provided by developed nations. Certainly some forces within the developed world were all too willing to exploit the local corruption for their own benefit, and that too injured the economic development of the continent. However, in Africa, as in India, the failure of economic development and the persistence of poverty were primarily the result of flawed local political development and foolish political choices.

The World Bank had pathetically little influence - or even potential influence - on that.
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