why would god want us to worship him?

mesquite wrote:

neologist wrote:

What additions to Mark? You'll have to be specific as the canon was well established by the end of the 2nd century.

Mark 16:9-20

My translation handles the questioned verses thus:

"Some late manuscripts and versions contain a short conclusion after Mark 16:8, as follows:

But all the things that had been commanded they related briefly to those around Peter. Further, after these things, Jesus himself sent out through them from the east to the west the holy and incorruptible proclamation of everlasting salvation.

LONG CONCLUSION

Certain ancient manuscripts (ACD) and versions (VgSyc,p) add the following long conclusion, but which 1488;BSysArm omit. . . "(...here is the questioned text you referred to.) So we acknowledge its existence while not quoting it for support.

The same applies to the addition to the 7th and 8th chapters of John.

As far as the content goes, the believer has to operate on faith that God would use his power to preserve the integrity of his word.

I understand this may be disputed, but it is the responsibility of the one who would have faith to investigate the claims of scriptural tampering to his satisfaction. I've checked out many and think I've done a good job of it. You are, however, welcome to pose one for argument.

Available Translations and Versions for Mar 16:9

KJV - Mar 16:9 -

Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

King James Version 1611, 1769


NKJV - Mar 16:9 -

Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson
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NLT - Mar 16:9 -

It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus rose from the dead, and the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons.

New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust
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NIV - Mar 16:9 -

When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society
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ESV - Mar 16:9 -

[Some of the earliest manuscripts do not include 16:9-20.]

Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Footnote:
Some manuscripts end the book with 16:8; others include verses 9-20 immediately after verse 8. A few manuscripts insert additional material after verse 14; one Latin manuscript adds after verse 8 the following: But they reported briefly to Peter and those with him all that they had been told. And after this, Jesus himself sent out by means of them, from east to west, the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Other manuscripts include this same wording after verse 8, then continue with verses 9-20

The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles
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NASB - Mar 16:9 -

Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.

New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation
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RSV - Mar 16:9 -

Now when he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.
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ASV - Mar 16:9 -

Now when he was risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

American Standard Version 1901 Info
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Young - Mar 16:9 -

And he, having risen in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, did appear first to Mary the Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons;

Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info
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Darby - Mar 16:9 -
Now when he had risen very early, the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary of Magdala, out of whom he had cast seven demons.

J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info
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Webster - Mar 16:9 -

Now when [Jesus] was risen early, the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven demons.

Noah Webster Version 1833 Info
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HNV - Mar 16:9 -

Now when he had risen early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Miryam from Magdala, from whom he had cast out seven demons.

Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info
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Vulgate - Mar 16:9 -

surgens autem mane prima sabbati apparuit primo Mariae Magdalenae de qua eiecerat septem daemonia

Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info

I wonder what the percentage of Bibles in print today make note of the disputed verses. Using The Blue Letter Bible to compare Mark 16:9 in many versions, it would appear that the percentage is small.

mesquite wrote:

I wonder what the percentage of Bibles in print today make note of the disputed verses. Using The Blue Letter Bible to compare Mark 16:9 in many versions, it would appear that the percentage is small.

You are right. Which is why I prefer the New World Translation, which makes note of textual variatons.

neologist wrote:

mesquite wrote:

I wonder what the percentage of Bibles in print today make note of the disputed verses. Using The Blue Letter Bible to compare Mark 16:9 in many versions, it would appear that the percentage is small.

You are right. Which is why I prefer the New World Translation, which makes note of textual variatons.

... which represent only a fraction of the variations/deletions/additions that actually exist.....

mesquite wrote:

I wonder what the percentage of Bibles in print today make note of the disputed verses. Using The Blue Letter Bible to compare Mark 16:9 in many versions, it would appear that the percentage is small.

You are right. Which is why I prefer the New World Translation, which makes note of textual variatons.

neologist wrote:

mesquite wrote:

I wonder what the percentage of Bibles in print today make note of the disputed verses. Using The Blue Letter Bible to compare Mark 16:9 in many versions, it would appear that the percentage is small.

You are right. Which is why I prefer the New World Translation, which makes note of textual variations.

So what's the deal? Is God slacking on his duties to preserve to preserve the integrity of his word?

It seems to me that as theists normally conceptualize their god, mankind cannot commit crimes against Him as they can against their fellow beings. He's too powerful for that. But mankind CAN withhold honor from Him, that is to say, not worship Him. That is a SIN rather than a CRIME.*
Prometheus benefitted humankind by giving them the fire he stole from the Gods--making him the first humanist, i.e., considering humans to be sufficiently important for him to risk his eternal liver for their benefit. What I think he did (in this mythological world) was the CRIME of DIShonoring the gods and honoring humankind.
Honor is what Gods need, as we define them. Ergo, worship is our God's nourishment.

*Humans commit crimes against their fellows and sins against gods. Since Prometheus was also a god his transgression was a crime against his fellow gods.

I'm thinking we should all just skip the middleman and worship Mr Red directly.

Neologism, I'm glad that you see the myth of Eden as an allegory rather than an historical fact. I have given my interpretation of that allegory in a distant post. I see (and keep in mind that I am self-consciously interpreting, attempting to construct a--not THE--meaning from that myth) that Adam was automatically (not as a punishment) removed from the Nirvana of Eden when he partook of the knowledge of Good and Evil (true and false, ugly and beautiful, valuable and valueless) by means of analytical distinction, i.e., breaking the unitary aesthetic continua of experience into dualistic abstract representations.
This may not be the intention of the myth's author(s), but it does stimulate or reflect my interpretation.

Such nonsence.
Pardon my rudeness, but you make it imperative.

The point of view I try to take is how would the ultimate Scientist, the creator of all natural laws, communicate with us bozos.

neo wrote:

The point of view I try to take is how would the ultimate Scientist, the creator of all natural laws, communicate with us bozos.

Just as is. The natural laws, created or not, work on nature, on us, and that is why we know about them. Not because it was explained to us on stone tablets from god.