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Eight Demo-Debaters, Eight Private Flights....

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 06:13 am
2008 Candidates Rely on Private Jets

By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer

April 26, 2007, 6:44 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- A flock of small jets took flight from Washington Thursday, each carrying a Democratic presidential candidate to South Carolina for the first debate of the political season.

For Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd and Joe Biden, it was wheels up shortly after they voted in favor of legislation requiring that U.S. troops begin returning home from Iraq in the fall.

No one jet pooled, no one took commercial flights to save money, fuel or emissions.

All but Biden, who flew on a private jet, chartered their flights -- a campaign expense of between $7,500 and $9,000.

Federal Election Commission rules allow candidates to pay only the equivalent of first-class fare to fly on private jets owned by corporations or other special interests. But a Senate ethics bill approved earlier this year would require senators flying on corporate jets to pay full charter rates. The legislation must still be reconciled with a House bill and has yet to become law.

Several senators running for president are abiding by it anyway, either paying charter cost or avoiding corporate jets altogether, as Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain have done. Dodd pays full charter rates when he flies on private planes. The Clinton and Biden campaigns did not immediately explain their policies.

Candidates who follow the more lenient FEC rules have a financial advantage.

Democrat John Edwards, for example, regularly uses a jet owned by Dallas trial lawyer Fred Baron, who is also the finance chairman of his presidential campaign. His campaign pays first-class rate for those flights. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney also flies on corporate jets and pays first-class rates.

Under FEC reimbursement regulations, a candidate flying in a corporate or union jet must pay the first-class rate unless the flight's destination does not have scheduled commercial service. In that case, the candidate must pay the cost of chartering the plane.

For candidates who are now eschewing corporate jets, the cost difference can be significant.

For example, a one-way first class ticket on United Airlines with four days advance notice is $694 per person. A typical one-way charter flight on a small Lear jet seating six people would cost about $9,000.

Critics of corporate jet flights for politicians say the difference in cost makes a private jet an extraordinary special benefit and can give corporate executives or union leaders unusual access to a candidate.

Thursday's debate, set on the campus of South Carolina State University in Orangeburg, S.C., made for some whirlwind scheduling. Clinton, for instance, was scheduled to return to Washington Friday morning for an 8 a.m. address to the New York State United Teachers 35th Annual Representative Assembly, then fly back to South Carolina for an 11 a.m. event in Greenville.
Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-campaign-planes,0,4666247,print.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 06:47 am
I'm glad that the Republican candidates use public transport.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 06:48 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm glad that the Republican candidates use public transport.


Pretty stupid thing to say.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 06:50 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm glad that the Republican candidates use public transport.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 07:06 am
McGentrix wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm glad that the Republican candidates use public transport.


Pretty stupid thing to say.


See, most posters are no objective enough to see the hypocracy of all politicians on both sides.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 07:07 am
I'm having trouble understanding what the controversy is here. Anyone care to elaborate?
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 07:08 am
What else could Walter say, McG, what in the world is the point of the article other than a dry account of how candidates get to their destinations?

Is this some kind very subtle point about democrats using jets or planes but going on about global warming? How else would you suggest they get to their destinations on time? Most people who go on about global warming don't mean do without transportation, but rather come up with alternative fuel or cleaner fuel.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 07:12 am
Honestly, I think most of those "private" (either by leased or governmental plane) flights to be ... well, it could be done better.

And indeed, some are using public transport.

If that is a stupid response - okay.

In that case, however, the report and the thread is ... well, what?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 08:01 am
The point is that most posters on this POLITICS Forum are partisen hacks who will support their "party's candidate" no matter how hypocritical they are.

The republican candidates will do the same thing.

This is why I NEVER EVER contribute to any candidates campaign. Do those people who do contribute feel good when you see 8K for private/charter flights being paid from YOUR contributions? How about the $400 haircuts that we do NOT know about?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 08:06 am
woiyo wrote:
The point is that most posters on this POLITICS Forum are partisen hacks who will support their "party's candidate" no matter how hypocritical they are.


McG's response was addressed to me and not to anyone else.

As pointed out in my previous response and as said here since ... well, from the start of A2K onwards, I think that .... see my above response.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 08:06 am
Who you callin' a hack? You're the one holdin' the spear... Wink
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 10:12 am
cjhsa wrote:
Who you callin' a hack? You're the one holdin' the spear... Wink


I said MOST, not all posters are hacks.

My spear against your gun at 20 paces!
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 10:13 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
woiyo wrote:
The point is that most posters on this POLITICS Forum are partisen hacks who will support their "party's candidate" no matter how hypocritical they are.


McG's response was addressed to me and not to anyone else.

As pointed out in my previous response and as said here since ... well, from the start of A2K onwards, I think that .... see my above response.


I was not addressing anything you have to say, Wally!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 11:17 am
revel wrote:
What else could Walter say, McG, what in the world is the point of the article other than a dry account of how candidates get to their destinations?

Is this some kind very subtle point about democrats using jets or planes but going on about global warming? How else would you suggest they get to their destinations on time? Most people who go on about global warming don't mean do without transportation, but rather come up with alternative fuel or cleaner fuel.


What else could he have said?

Well, he could have commented on the fact that almost every candidate left Washington to arrive at the destination. Couldn't they have all charted a jet?

Instead, he attempts to turn the subject around to Republicans because he can't stomach discussing Democratic problems brought up in this thread.

Instead of attempting to broach the subject, he left his typical partisan BS like a burning bag on a porch. It was stupid.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 11:22 am
Your response sprinkles of omnipotent wisdom.

In future, I certainly will try to follow your pointed remark.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 12:47 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Instead, he attempts to turn the subject around to Republicans because he can't stomach discussing Democratic problems brought up in this thread.


What Democratic problem, exactly, was brought up in this thread? I'm still trying to figure out why hiring a private jet is somehow a problem.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 01:05 pm
Commercial at almost $700 per person, and they don't travel alone... If they have 5 - 10 people going and have to be somewhere else quickly, a private charter makes perfect sense. $3500+ each way and possibility of not having enough seats on same flight, or charter? I'd go charter. No big deal.
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 01:10 pm
...and there ya go. Smile
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 01:12 pm
shiksa has been choking his chicken again and his god has been forced to kill another kitten.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 27 Apr, 2007 02:25 pm
I'm picturing multi-millionaire presidential candidates Obama or Clinton with their respective entourages crammed into coach seats, Blackberry's at hand, laptops unfolded, bodyguards in tow, talking shop all the way to Washington with the fat dude and the crying baby in aisle 8C.


Doesn't look right to me.....
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