proof of no god?: what the holy spirit is/jesus not perfect

Re: truth



Actually it reminds me of something quite different.

It reminds me of the villages and villagers in Vietnam that we saved from communism by destroying the villages and killing the villagers.

truth
Frank, it pains me deeply to be (necessarily) reminded continually that we are among the bad guys of history. We have all been socialized to believe that we are the good guys. I remember as a small child noting that other countries do not have Supermans, Batmans, and Captain Americas. After the myths of Santa Claus and Batman were exploded, it took additional decades to realize that we, as a nation, are not a nation of good guys. We are to a large extent sheep who do what our COs tell us to do, and the COs tell us to do what the power hungry and greedy oligarchy conveys to them. It is so sad.

just an insignificant, piddley point, but, the use of the term "we" on an international forum, could be construed as being a mite 'nationalistically self-centred'.

many other "we"s had nothing to do with the harm generated by the egocentric foreign policy of the host country in question.

but "we" do 'feel' your pain!

We are not amused, Bo.

But you are - definitely - "amusing"! :wink:

We, of course, refers to us. You people should be using the us'ns, we'uns terms when referring to yourselves, as ya'll relentlessly do when posting your provincial remarks. (no pun intended).
We have in the past ignored these errors but we are reconsidering our position.



Joe

Jesus is not perfect, because anything man creates is prone to mistakes.

Infallible Word of God


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

I don't expect ManOfGOD to reply since it was a while ago that he posted but it will be interesting to see these explained...

If Jesus was born of a Virgin then what is the point of Matthew Ch 1 showing that Joseph family tree leads back to David?
...And why does Luke Ch 3 have a different family tree for Joseph (some say it is for Mary but that would mean the bible is lying when it clearly says Joseph)?

Which is the correct story of Judas death:
Acts 1:18 - Judas used his 30 coins to buy a field where he fell headlong and split his guts, or
Matthew 27:5-7 - Judas threw the coins into the temple and then hanged himself, then the priests used the money to buy the field?

Was Jesus cross carried by Simon of Cyrene. Matthew 27:32, Luke 23:26
or Jesus himself. John 19:17,18?

Where is the Old Testament prophecy referred to in Matthew 2:23 that says Jesus lived in Nazareth to fulfill the prophecy that he would be called a Nazarene?

How can the Son of God make such a simple mistake as mixing up two different people's names when quoting the Old Testament: Compare Matthew 23:35 -where Jesus mentions 'Zacherias son of Berachias' to the actual verse he was quoting, 2 Chronicles 24:20-21 'Zacheriah son of Jehoiada'? (Z. of Berachias wrote the book of Zechariah a few hundred years after Z. of Jehoiada was dead. Had he not read?)

Matthew 12:38-40 Jesus says (from memory)"as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale so shall (I) be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth".
So, Mark 15:42 Crucified preparation day (Friday), the day before the Sabbath (Saturday).
Mark 16:9 Resurrected on 1st day of the week (Sunday) morning.

That's only Two nights (he must be a false prophet?)

Mark 13:24-30 "sun darkened, moon no light, stars will fall, heaven shall be shaken, shall see son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory, send his angels, blah, blah, blah, ...Verily I say to you, that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done."

That generation is dead and he hasn't returned yet (so, he must be a false prophet?)

Matthew 16:27-28 Jesus says "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom."

Are they still alive somewhere?

What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
Scarlet. Matthew 27:28
Purple. John 19:2

Where is the OT prophecy that says the Messiah will be killed and then come back a few thousand years later? - All the 'actual' Messiah prophecies state that when the Messiah comes "In that Day" (not thousands of years later) will be the final judgement, eternal peace, etc.

Where does it say to start worshipping (as a Sabbath) on a Sunday (first day of the week) and not on a Saturday (seventh day of the Week) as God originally commanded? ("...seventh day shalt thou keep holy...")

I too used to be Christian, thinking the Bible was the infallible Word of God.
My guard was always up against those that might try to persuade me otherwise, but ultimately it was the Bible itself that proved this wrong.
(and to all the Bible Code fans, of which I was also one, If the codes are proof of God's authorship of the bible, why is it so full of mistakes?)

There are many more contradictions I could point out, but I think I've done enough for a first post
(Also whenever the NT quotes the OT testament to support Jesus as fulfilling prophecy just check the quote for yourself and see that they are all spin-doctored.
Most are not even prophecies, just sentences taken out of context from the rest of the passage, - and most are also not actually meant to be referring to a Messiah, - some don't even exist (eg: Nazarene).

The NT is a spin doctored fake, and the Old Testament is just a collection of Jewish history mixed in with Myths and Metaphors (eg: Gilgamesh epic of Flood is older than Genesis account).

It's better to understand what the Metaphor's are all about than to believe them as literal accounts.

Think for yourself.

No one can afford to lock in any of their ?'belief's', or they may become attached to a paradigm that may be proved wrong by further research.
We should rather stay on a permanent Quest for Truth.

"In the world of Bible-based religions, there are more denominations than books in the Bible, more sub-denominations than chapters and more pastoral schisms than verses." - Anon?

"When a person starts on the discovery of the absolute by the light of reason only, and without any assistance of sense, and perseveres until by pure intelligence he arrives at the perception of the absolute good, he at last finds himself at the end of the intelligible world, as in the case of sight at the end of the visible."
- Plato, The Republic, Book VII

truth
If Jesus were born of a virgin, where did he get his Y chromasone?

I think that God Does not exist. He is just unother fictional character that people made up. Just to make a statement: Whenever you here the word "god" it is always referring to something good that has happens

Yo, T. Thats what Im talkin bout. Of coarse those followers would say that it is some sort of a misinterpretation/lie. Those who judge are really judging themselves. Its eviednt that there are many flaws, and that if that god were flawless, then there would be no error. The problem is that people are so afraid of what they dont know, they take easy ways out. Nomatter how mixed up and long it might be. I live my father. He says all the time how he knows things that no man can know, and that he has the truth. I have tried to argue, and no matter how reasoned my arguments may be, he simply gets angry and resorts to namecalling. Now I simple say nothing and take it like Im supposed to. That is the way it is. I speak freely in school(college), and no one will argue me. They cant because right off the bat I point out how everyone sees things differentialy, and therefore has silighly-greatly differing beliefs. Who could argue anyways. You cant argue faith, and thats the point. I am faithfull that you cannot know, and those who say otherwise are lyers or disalusioned. I believe in spiritual stuff, but it requires alot of manipulation of definitions. Such as with spirit/soul:If you say that we have one than we need to clarify what that means. If by soul you mean spritual energy then were getting close. If by spiritual energyyou mean life force, then you are closer to the truth. Finally if by life force you mean electricity/magnatisim, then you have it. All matter has a faint electrical/magnetic force around it. I say electrical/magnetic because they are two in the same. You they are coexistant with one another. But I could be wrong, and thats where I am right. I just wish others could say that they arnt sure, but then we would have no relegion. Would we?

Yeah, I know. But god lets all that evil happen, and that makes him inherintially evil too. Would you let evil happen if you could help it. I think not.

religion is malarkie!

hmmm
Hello everyone,

2 years after this thread started, I dont know if any one will read this post.
I have browsed through what I and every one has been saying, it is very interesting to look at it after 2 years.

Any ways, what I would like to say is:
In some parts of my answer(or maybe in all of my answer, I am not sure), I have failed to deliver the convincing explanation for islam's look to Women.
Please blame this on me, and not on Islam. I shouldnt have tried to get into a debate when my knowledge of the topic is not a very concrete one, and on top of all of that, when I dont have that much of time and patience for it.

Some one else, who is more knowledgable of islam can justify and explain Islam's respect to women better than me.

take care every one. :wink:

did a google search on my nick. I forgot i wrote this 4 years ago, still cant remember it too well. Im amazed that over the years it got so many replies to it. But yer after 4 years i dont care about religion or non-religion, not interested. isnt that funny.