That's just an example. Guiliani has bigger problems with his abortion stance, his stance on gays, and his stance on abusing his ex-wife then he does with the dressing in drag. But it sure won't help him.
When polled, 95% of respondents say they would vote for a woman, and 90% a black man. Divorced, Mormon, and Old Man score far, far less. So it doesn't look awesome for any of the Republican candidates.
Cycloptichorn
What poll? link?
Cycloptichorn wrote:
That's just an example. Guiliani has bigger problems with his abortion stance, his stance on gays, and his stance on abusing his ex-wife then he does with the dressing in drag. But it sure won't help him.
I understand that. But his stance on gays, and abortion are no different than McCain's.
Abusing his ex-wife? Come now thats unfounded speculation, You would be better attemping to say his multiple divorces as a reason.
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When polled, 95% of respondents say they would vote for a woman, and 90% a black man. Divorced, Mormon, and Old Man score far, far less. So it doesn't look awesome for any of the Republican candidates.
Cycloptichorn
Abortion
McCain has a 0% NARAL rating, indicated one of the strongest pro-life records in the Senate.[36] On June 26, 1984, McCain voted for H.AMDT.942 to H.R.5490 "An amendment to define "person" as including unborn children from the moment of conception".[37] This measure is similar to H.R. 552, The Right to Life Act, which was introduced on February 2, 2005 by US Representative Duncan Hunter, who's also running for President. The purpose of the bill is to "implement equal protection ... for the right to life of each born and pre-born human person."[38] McCain voted yes on getting rid of restrictions on violent videos to minors. McCain also has an 83% rating from the Christian Coalition, which indicates many socially conservative views such as voting yes on $75M for abstinence education, yes on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration, and voting yes on memorial prayers and religious symbols at school. McCain is also against birth control and sex education which includes a vote of no on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education and contraceptives.[39] On February 18, 2007 McCain stated "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."[40] Back in 1999, McCain was also quoted in the Washington Post, "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."[1]
And you really think their position on Abortion is the same?
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McCain has a 0% NARAL rating, indicated one of the strongest pro-life records in the Senate.[36] On June 26, 1984, McCain voted for H.AMDT.942 to H.R.5490 "An amendment to define "person" as including unborn children from the moment of conception".[37] This measure is similar to H.R. 552, The Right to Life Act, which was introduced on February 2, 2005 by US Representative Duncan Hunter, who's also running for President. The purpose of the bill is to "implement equal protection ... for the right to life of each born and pre-born human person."[38] McCain voted yes on getting rid of restrictions on violent videos to minors. McCain also has an 83% rating from the Christian Coalition, which indicates many socially conservative views such as voting yes on $75M for abstinence education, yes on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration, and voting yes on memorial prayers and religious symbols at school. McCain is also against birth control and sex education which includes a vote of no on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education and contraceptives.[39] On February 18, 2007 McCain stated "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."[40] Back in 1999, McCain was also quoted in the Washington Post, "I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain#Abortion
Not so much.
Cycloptichorn
John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench, Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.
However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, "At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level."
While we are talking polls.
Mccain barely hit 19% to Gulianni's 27% Thompson has been rising at 14%...
Thompson, now thats a conservative.
May 15, 2007
Senator Fred Thompson
American Enterprise Institute
1150 Seventeenth Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20036
Dear Senator Thompson,
Given that it has been publicly reported in The Weekly Standard, a leading neo-conservative publication, that you support Fidel Castro and the Cuban regime by being a purveyor of fine Cuban exports despite the trade embargo, I was surprised to see your recent op ed in a more traditional conservative outlet, The National Review, regarding my trip to Cuba (I suspect you choose The National Review in an effort to pander to an outlet that had criticized you for your opposition to medical malpractice legislation).
In your May 2, 2007 National Review article, "Paradise Island," you specifically raised concerns about whether my trip to Cuba with 9/11 heroes, who have suffered serious health problems as a result of their exposure to toxic substances at Ground Zero that have gone untreated, was somehow going to support Castro and the Cuban government:
"It always leaves me shaking my head when I read about some big-time actor or director going to Cuba and gushing all over Castro."
Putting aside the fact that you, like the Bush Administration, seem far more concerned about the trip to Cuba than the health care of these 9/11 heroes, I was struck by the fact that your concerns (including comments about Castro's reported financial worth) apparently do not extend to your own conduct, as reported in The Weekly Standard's April 23, 2007 story, "From the Courthouse to the White House Fred Thompson auditions for the leading role" (emphasis added):
"Thompson's work space looks just like what the home office of a successful politician or CEO should look like--though a little messier: a large desk, dark wood, leather furniture, lots of books and magazines and newspapers, a flat-screen TV, and box upon box of cigars--Montecristos from Havana."
In light of your comments regarding Cuba and Castro, do you think the "box upon box of cigars - Montecristos from Havana" that you have in your office have contributed to Castro's reported wealth?
While I will leave it up to the conservatives to debate your hypocrisy and the Treasury Department to determine whether the "box upon box of cigars" violates the trade embargo, I hereby challenge you to a health care debate.
Survey after survey has indicated that health care is one of the top issues to the American voters. Today, more than 46 million people lack health care coverage, including 9 million children. We pay significantly more than any other country in the world - and get less back. Americans life expectancy is lower than other developed countries and our infant mortality rates are higher. And our heroic Ground Zero 9/11 workers live in a society where the Bush Administration has shown more concern about their travel than about their health.
Our debate would provide you an opportunity to appeal to the right wing of the Republican Party by continuing to attack me; it would give me a chance to discuss health care and tell you exactly what happened in Cuba, given your apparent interest; and it would provide the American people an opportunity to see just how serious Hollywood can be, with a purported conservative and an avowed progressive Hollywood personality on stage.
Over the course of the debate, we could specifically address the following issues:
(1) Your work as a lobbyist in light of the fact that the health care and insurance industries have maintained the current health care system through their effective control of the political establishment.
(2) The fact that you raised hundred of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the health care and insurance industries.
(3) Discuss the fact, highlighted in yet another conservative outlet The New York Sun, that you inexplicably wanted to cut funding for AIDS research.
(4) Your relationship with the Frist family and by extension HCA, one of the nation's largest for-profit hospital chains. It has been reported that former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (who was renowned for his over-the-television-screen Schiavo diagnosis) is serving as one of your confidantes on your potential presidential campaign. The Frist family has historically controlled HCA, which paid a record $1.7 billion in civil and criminal fines, including a $631 million penalty for Medicaid fraud - in other words, ripping off the taxpayers.
(5) Discussing whether Arthur Branch, as the District Attorney of Manhattan, supports a woman's right to choose, gun safety reforms, gay marriage, the trans fat ban and anti-smoking laws (which would impact Cuban cigars, including your Montecristos).
Like American Idol, we could even have the country vote to determine which one of us wins the debate. Though in the spirit of full disclosure, I feel obligated to forewarn you that I was the winner of the 1971-72 Detroit Free Press Debate Award for the state of Michigan.
The winner of our health care debate could even light a victory cigar with one of your Montecristos (though we may want to consider shipping them to the safe house where I have put a master copy of SiCKO in the event that the Bush Administration tries to seize the film).
Sincerely,
Michael Moore
In a video rebuttal, Thompson, cigar in hand, says that he doesn't have time in his schedule to debate Moore, but he may be the least of Moore's problems. The potential 2008 presidential candidate suggests Moore inquire of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro about documentary filmmaker Nicolás Guillén Landrián, who was tortured by Castro's henchman because of his film.
"He did something Castro didn't like and they put him in a mental institution for several years, giving him devastating electroshock treatments. A mental institution, Michael, it might be something you ought to think about," Thompson says.
Click here to watch Fred Thompson's video response to Moore.
The latest back-and-forth follows an article written by Thompson in The National Review criticizing Moore for going to Cuba to film "Sicko," his latest feature on the quality of life in America and a follow-up to the Academy Award-winning movie "Fahrenheit 911," which slams the Bush administration.
In the article, Thompson bemoans Moore's storytelling abilities and the cozying up of Hollywood to Castro, who he notes didn't take advantage of Cuba's health care system when he recently took ill.
"According to Forbes magazine, by the way, Castro is now personally worth approximately $900 million. So when he desperately needed medical treatment recently, he could afford to fly a Spanish surgeon, with equipment, on a chartered jet to Cuba. What does that say about free Cuban health care?" Thompson wrote
Man dookie you make this soo easy....
Fred Thompson responds:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
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In a video rebuttal, Thompson, cigar in hand, says that he doesn't have time in his schedule to debate Moore, but he may be the least of Moore's problems. The potential 2008 presidential candidate suggests Moore inquire of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro about documentary filmmaker Nicolás Guillén Landrián, who was tortured by Castro's henchman because of his film.
"He did something Castro didn't like and they put him in a mental institution for several years, giving him devastating electroshock treatments. A mental institution, Michael, it might be something you ought to think about," Thompson says.
Click here to watch Fred Thompson's video response to Moore.
The latest back-and-forth follows an article written by Thompson in The National Review criticizing Moore for going to Cuba to film "Sicko," his latest feature on the quality of life in America and a follow-up to the Academy Award-winning movie "Fahrenheit 911," which slams the Bush administration.
In the article, Thompson bemoans Moore's storytelling abilities and the cozying up of Hollywood to Castro, who he notes didn't take advantage of Cuba's health care system when he recently took ill.
"According to Forbes magazine, by the way, Castro is now personally worth approximately $900 million. So when he desperately needed medical treatment recently, he could afford to fly a Spanish surgeon, with equipment, on a chartered jet to Cuba. What does that say about free Cuban health care?" Thompson wrote
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,272558,00.html
A box of Cigars?!?!?! Michael Moore?!?!?!? Thats the best you can do
I have cuban cigars..... does this mean I am supporting Castro? No. My money may be going to the Cuban economy but Moore would've contributed FAR more to their economy going to cuba and staying there, no doubt purchasing and dining there. Michael Moore was upset about Thompson's comments and made a retarded point about cigars to be somehow a big deal. The only decent point Moore made was that Thompson seemed more worried about support for Castro than for the health of the 9/11 heroes. Other than that it was a poorly articulated retort, but I expect nothing less from Moore. I lean to the left for the most part, but I simply disagree with Moore's methods. He is right occasionally but is an asshole in the process.
