does everybody have it in them to kill?

snood wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
snood wrote:
Why don't you volunteer to go? I hear there are job openings aplenty in the infantry.

To be honest I thought I might be going back in 1991. Now I am too old, though I could certainly serve in some context. I would gladly have done so to help prevent my children from having to, which is exactly what is going to happen if we sit back, do the lib-nut smokadope thing, and do nothing.

The age for first-time recruits has been raised to 42. And if you're older than that, a hotshot gun guy like you could surely find work with a security contractor. That is, if you really want to help the cause about which you feel so strongly, and get to shoot at the bad guys.

easier to shoot at deers and squirrels.... they don't shoot back.

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true. easier, but still not right. to kill anything is considered morally wrong. but that's what i'm trying to ask: if under certain circumstances, would anyone be able to kill? or are there people out there (the pope for eg) that could control themselves even at that time?

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rockpie wrote:

true. easier, but still not right. to kill anything is considered morally wrong. but that's what i'm trying to ask: if under certain circumstances, would anyone be able to kill? or are there people out there (the pope for eg) that could control themselves even at that time?

Were it kill or be killed i believe that anyone including the pope would be capable of taking a life.

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I've never considered myself capable of killing another human being... Until yesterdays news of the father/ adult son/ and mother that tortured, raped and then killed a little five year old boy. The mother actually watched her son and husband have anal sex with him and masturbated during the ordeal.

I could easily kill all three of them after a long bout of torture.

I do believe this is the first time I've found myself feeling this way.

I would likely do so in self defense if my life were threatended, or if I were in a position to do so to protect the life of myself or another, whether family or stranger. I don't think we really know until th situation arises.

Did you see the video of the female bartender being beaten up by an off duty officer? Other guys sitting at the bar and they didn't even come to her defense. Disgusting.

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rockpie wrote:

true. easier, but still not right. to kill anything is considered morally wrong. but that's what i'm trying to ask: if under certain circumstances, would anyone be able to kill? or are there people out there (the pope for eg) that could control themselves even at that time?

Is it really morally wrong to kill something if you need it to survive? You are starving and the only thing to eat would be to kill another animal.

Is it really morally wrong to kill some one if you needed to do it to save yourself or another innocent person?

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squinney wrote:

Did you see the video of the female bartender being beaten up by an off duty officer? Other guys sitting at the bar and they didn't even come to her defense. Disgusting.

I didn't see this video, but I personally experienced viewing a beating where no one would help out and the sheer cowardnence or indifference irriated the h*ll out of me.

I was looking out of a window in B&B that my friend and I just arrived at. We were up several floors. I saw one man beating another until this man fell to the ground and he began kicking him repeatedly in the head while many people simply walked by - this was a busy enough street that lots of people were walking around. Not one stopped or did anything. I opened the window and screamed out at him to stop - I yelled get the f*ck outta here I just called the cops. He swore up at me and continued the beating.

After calling the front desk to ask them to call the police, I ran down the stairs to see what I could do. The man was gone and the police were just arriving. I was horrified that no one offered help in any way.

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Killing someone who threatens to kill you should be legal. I'm not much of a killer but I would not hesitate to kill a terrorist on a plane.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm

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i could kill if it was my life or theirs

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Yup. That's the one scenario I'm sure of...

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point taken. but if it was kill or be killed by your children?

yes i realise i am coming up with alot of hypothetical situations because a good answer would be constant to all of them.

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well if it came to my child i would choose to be killed. besides that i would kill if it was my life or theirs

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i would kill for my child tho. i couldn't kill my own

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noinipo wrote:

Killing someone who threatens to kill you should be legal. I'm not much of a killer but I would not hesitate to kill a terrorist on a plane.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm

Why? You are not certain to be killed. Most hijackings end without too many deaths. (At least that was how we all thought pre-11/9.)

"someone who threatens to kill you" is a bit too broad a definition for me. (In fact, being an atheist, it applies to all muslims in my case.)

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On a recent flight I sat across the aisle from a huge businessman, a former football player. During our conversation we talked about a terrorist takeover of the plane.
I suggested that if a hijacker turns his back to me, I will bang my two fists on his ears with all my might. If he is stunned my big friend will disarm him and we will face the other hijacker.
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Beats just sitting there and looking afraid.

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rockpie wrote:

point taken. but if it was kill or be killed by your children?

yes i realise i am coming up with alot of hypothetical situations because a good answer would be constant to all of them.

This seems to me to be very stilted thinking. It is very often the case that what is true in one instance is not necessarily true in another. I think that would certainly be the case with life-and-death scenarios.

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noinipo wrote:

On a recent flight I sat across the aisle from a huge businessman, a former football player. During our conversation we talked about a terrorist takeover of the plane.
I suggested that if a hijacker turns his back to me, I will bang my two fists on his ears with all my might. If he is stunned my big friend will disarm him and we will face the other hijacker.
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Beats just sitting there and looking afraid.

Yes, but why didn't you agree to attempt to kill him in the fastest possible way?

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Because I am an old man and killing someone with bare hands is not easy. Have you tried it?

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No. What I'm trying to discuss is your view that it should be legal to kill someone who threatens to kill you.

If you've disarmed and disabled a terrorist on a plane, should it be legal to kill him at that point?

Should it be legal to kill him earlier, when he was still a threat, yet there were non-killing options available to you?

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Many of us seem to be hung up on the word "terrorist". Any bank robber who points a gun at people is the same criminal as a bearded terrorist. Any rapist who holds a knife to the throat of a woman is the same as any terrorist.
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Why the word "terrorist" gives us the right to kill without thinking is not clear. They are criminals like all other punks who kill. What really disturbs me are soldiers who kill dozens of civilians in the hope that some of them 'might' be terrorists.

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Eorl wrote:

No. What I'm trying to discuss is your view that it should be legal to kill someone who threatens to kill you.

If you've disarmed and disabled a terrorist on a plane, should it be legal to kill him at that point?

Should it be legal to kill him earlier, when he was still a threat, yet there were non-killing options available to you?

Well if you kill him then he isn't a witness - you could always say it was in self defense and I would imagine the rest of the plane would support you so yes it would be legal even if it wasn't.

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