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Army Units Skip Training in Rush to Iraq

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:22 pm
mysteryman wrote:
revel wrote:
tryingtohelp wrote:
Are you saying that the reservists actually had to be used? Oh no. Imagine actually having to do a job you signed up for.

Maybe you should not believe everything you read.

Shortage of night vision googles now that I find funny. I know for a fact they are not short of those.


Actually I merely posted an article without comment.

I believe the point of the article is like everything else, the Iraq war is depleting the readiness of the Army National Guard units.


Wait a minute!!
You started out talking about the reserves,now you say you were talking about the NG.
Those are two very different entities,with some (but not all) different roles.

The reserves are NOT National Guard units,of any type.
They are two different forces.

Comparing the reserves with the NG is like comparing zebra's and mules.
They are both equine,but thats all they have in common.


I started with merely posting an article in this post . But I admit that I know very little about all the different military categories.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 03:59 pm
Actually, the article is an op-ed piece, pressing a particular POV, something which in and of itself is perfectly fine. On the other hand, the opinion expressed by that piece fails to square with the purpose
Quote:
Mission
The independent Commission on the National Guard and Reserves is charged by Congress to recommend any needed changes in law and policy to ensure that the Guard and Reserves are organized, trained, equipped, compensated, and supported to best meet the national security requirements of the United States. The Commission was established by the Ronald W. Reagan National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2005 ...
... how the National Guard and Reserves can best be organized, resourced, and supported to meet the evolving national security requirements of the United States, now and future ...
and findings of the actual report:
Commission on the National Guard and Reserves
Strengthening America's Defenses in the New Security Environment
Second Report to Congress
March 1, 2007
(Note: 127 page .pdf download)

Here's a slightly different take on that report:
Quote:
Commission Reports on Strengthening America's Defenses
By Fred W. Baker III
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, March 1, 2007 - Changes are needed to pull together the nation's security team and break down "institutional stove pipes" between agencies, the chairman of the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves reported to Congress today.
Initially the commission was to reported on the proposed "National Guard Empowerment Act" which aimed to increase the authority of National Guard leaders. Instead, the commission broadened its report -- Strengthening America's Defenses in the New Security Environment -- to include DoD, U.S. Northern Command, the departments of Homeland Security and Defense, and state governors.

The broadened report will help solve problems the reserves now face, said retired Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Arnold L. Punaro, commission chairman.

The primary problem, Punaro said, is that the different agencies involved, each with a stake in homeland defense, don't work well enough together. "You need everybody on the same team. We don't have that right now. We've got stovepipes," Punaro said.

"In the age we're in right now, with the threats we face, particularly here in the homeland, we cannot use this sandlot pick-up team approach," he said.

The report contained 26 findings and 23 recommendations in six general areas. Only eight recommendations would require changes in legislation, Punaro said.

Defense Department officials first need to update the department's laws, regulations, policies and procedures to accommodate a ready, operational reserve.

"DoD has declared that we have this operational reserve, but they haven't made the changes necessary to ensure that such an operational reserve is sustainable," Punaro said.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, more than 550,000 Guard and Reserve troops have been called to active duty. Given current conditions, "it is not sustainable," he said.

For example, the commission reported that DoD does not now budget or program for the Guard's civil-support missions because the agency sees them as a derivative of its wartime mission.

But, homeland defense missions are not a subset of warfighting requirements, Punaro said. "That is a fatally flawed assumption. In these areas, we are not ready. We are not prepared," he said.

In addition, Northern Command should be the advocate for civil-support requirements, Punaro said.

To give the Guard a bigger voice at the DoD level, the commission supports making the Guard Bureau chief's position a four-star billet and designating it as a senior advisor to the chairman of the joint chiefs, the report states. The commission reported that it does not support giving the chief of the National Guard Bureau a seat at the table with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The report also calls for one of the two top positions at NORTHCOM to be filled by a National Guard or Reserve officer.

One of the most critical issues DoD faces is equipping its reserve forces, Punaro said.

"The equipment readiness of our Guard and Reserve today is totally unacceptable," he said. "Right now in the National Guard, for the units that remain here in the continental United States, 88 percent of those units are not ready due to equipment deficiencies."

"This is a terrible situation and needs to be corrected," Punaro said.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates told the Guard's adjutants general this week that, in the next two fiscal year budgets, his department is asking for $9 billion to reset and reequip the Guard. Many units face severe shortages after returning from deployments with either missing or broken equipment.

"Reconstituting and resetting the Guard and Reserve … is the top priority for the Department of Defense," Gates said.

Gates' goal is a National Guard that is fully manned, trained and equipped and capable of taking on a range of traditional and non-traditional missions at home and abroad, he said.

Governors should also have a say in how their resources are used and should command any federal resources coming into their states for civil-support missions, the report states. It recommends convening a bipartisan council of 10 governors, appointed by the president, to meet and advise the defense secretary and other senior officials.

The commission's final report, due to Congress in January 2008, will provide a more comprehensive look at reserve-component mobilization, pay, employer and family support issues.


The upshot of the report (which incidentally is but the second of a series of reports commissioned) is that Congress needs to get off its dead ass, and see to adequately providing our military what it needs to fulfill its role not just today but in regard to future evolutions of the threats and obligations facing our nation. In sum, the current problem traces directly to The Previous Administration's Gutting of the American Military - under Clinton, the Army was reduced from 18 Active Duty divisions to ten, the number of active Air Force wings went from 24 to 13 (a 45% Force Reduction in regard to tactical combat capability), and the number of Navy ships was reduced from more than 560 to about 300 (including a reduction from 15 Carrier Strike Groups to 11). The Active duty component of the American Military was reduced overall by 26%. The Army Reserve saw a 36% reduction in force, the Navy Reserve declined 41%, the Airforce Reserve dropped by 13%, the Army National Guard was reduced by 25% (the equivalent of more than 2 full divisions). The report stresses the immediate urgency of repairing the damage inflicted on America's military Preparedness and Cability by the short-sighted, false-economy policies of The Prevoious Administration. Could the Current Administration have done more to address these issues over the past 6-plus years? Certainly it could - and should - have. That does nothing, however, to alter the fact that much, much less would need to be done now had Clinton discharged his duties in a responsible manner.

An illuminating read:
H.A.S.C. No. 106-46 TESTIMONY ON THE ADEQUACY OF THE DEFENSE BUDGET
HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED SIXTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
HEARING HELD
FEBRUARY 8, 2000
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 11:32 am
Timber,
You just presented facts.
You know better then that!!!!

Those on the left will now call your FACTS biased and wrong,because those FACTS disagree with their opinions.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 11:37 am
So it's all wrong what was reported about the 4th Stryker Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division and the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division? It's just been an opinion?

(Stars and Stripes had reported the very same, though. Last week already.)
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 11:59 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
So it's all wrong what was reported about the 4th Stryker Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division and the 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division? It's just been an opinion?

(Stars and Stripes had reported the very same, though. Last week already.)


Is it wrong that they skipped the training at the desert warfare center?
No,it was most likely a true story.

But,that some here are blaming that on Bush,and that there are some on here claiming that these units will suffer from not going there is wrong.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 12:19 pm
Quote:
The Previous Administration's Gutting of the American Military - under Clinton, the Army was reduced from 18 Active Duty divisions to ten, the number of active Air Force wings went from 24 to 13 (a 45% Force Reduction in regard to tactical combat capability), and the number of Navy ships was reduced from more than 560 to about 300 (including a reduction from 15 Carrier Strike Groups to 11). The Active duty component of the American Military was reduced overall by 26%. The Army Reserve saw a 36% reduction in force, the Navy Reserve declined 41%, the Airforce Reserve dropped by 13%, the Army National Guard was reduced by 25% (the equivalent of more than 2 full divisions). The report stresses the immediate urgency of repairing the damage inflicted on America's military Preparedness and Cability by the short-sighted, false-economy policies of The Prevoious Administration. Could the Current Administration have done more to address these issues over the past 6-plus years? Certainly it could - and should - have. That does nothing, however, to alter the fact that much, much less would need to be done now had Clinton discharged his duties in a responsible manner.
At least try to be a little honest Timber.
Clinton's first fiscal budget was 1994. The FY1993 budget was put into place before Clinton took office.
Rather large reductions had taken place before Clinton ever took office.
The Army divisions were 14, not 18 when CLinton took office. Bush41 reduced them from 18 to 14.
Similar errors seem to run through the rest of your claims. There were 435 Navy ships in FY1993. Down from 527 in FY 1990.

I won't argue that the military wasn't reduced. But is hardly factual to accuse Clinton of "gutting it" when you use numbers from three budgets of the previous administration's as if they were Clinton's fault.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 12:25 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Timber,
You just presented facts.
You know better then that!!!!

Those on the left will now call your FACTS biased and wrong,because those FACTS disagree with their opinions.

No. I will call them "NOT FACTS" because they aren't really. Until you can show me that Clinton was responsible for the 1990 to 1993 budgets they aren't much more than attempting to lay blame where it can't all be laid.

Both parties are responsible.
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