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What/Who is the Holy Spirit?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 11:33 am
RR, According to christians, your god created them. Unfortunately, many of the claims of the bible has been shown to be in error.

Only the bible is capable of proving the bible; not scientific by any stretch of the imagination.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 11:34 am
In the beginning God created the verb and the noun, and God said, "Let there be words..." (logos).

RexRed
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 11:50 am
God moves from the ethereal to the physical through the heavenly to the earthly and back again. He moves through the verb and penetrates to the very heart of the noun. If you want to call that sex CI, well I won't stop you. Smile

Spirituality is not sexual in itself but the marriage of heaven with earth is yet to be fully seen.

Sexuality is but a whisper of that day.

God is the greatest lover.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:03 pm
This marriage of heaven and earth is when liberty and law lay down together and foster the children of light.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:31 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
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When We substitute one Revelation for another - and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages) - they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not. Say: "The Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to those who submit to Allah." We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him (Muhammad)." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.


More riddles. The holy spirit is (or was?) an arab called Gabriel? He spoke to Mohammed in Arabic (which was handy as he spoke arabic too) so what he said was true. As opposed to English which is false. Over to you Rex. I'm not going to waste any more time trying to decipher this.


No, the idolators (non-believers) referred to a foreign (i.e., non-Arab) man who lived among them as the servant of some of the clans of Quraysh and who used to sell goods by As-Safa. Maybe the Messenger of Allah used to sit with him sometimes and talk to him a little, but he was a foreigner who did not know much Arabic, only enough simple phrases to answer questions when he had to. Then Allah sent down this verse through Gabriel to falsify their claims.


Raul,

True, Gabriel [pbuh] or one of his angels are present just before someone receives the holy spirit gift of promise. Prior to receiving this gift, this is a tumultuous time for a believer changing their spiritual identity. These angels are there nudging the believer into committing to the liberty of the spirit in Jesus Christ. This is the only time a "guardian angel" (which indicates Michael [pbuh] and his angels are present too.) is needed, right before or in and around the time a soul receives holy spirit seed within.

After they receive they are able to talk directly to God and they are part of the lord's angels (saints) who are in the body of Christ and occupy his third of the heavens. The messiah, Christ Jesus (created) is the lord of heaven and God (uncreated) is the Lord of all.

Peace with God
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:33 pm
more riddles/nonsense
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:39 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
more riddles/nonsense


The truth is in the details.

I will tell you something about me.

From as far back in my life I have always been skeptical about the world's "truth". I have been suspicious of thier limericks, nursery rhymes and famous quotes. Being as distasteful to me I made it my life's quest to analyze these so called "truths" to evaluate if they are really TRUE...

The things that people find themselves saying out of some quirky habit are only true on the surface but underneath they are simply untrue.

So let's drop the facade and get to the details of truth.

You don't learn from your mistakes you learn when you do not repeat the error my friend. Smile

Variety is the spice of life?

I know people who seemingly have everything but still have no spice in their life.

And the list goes on...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:48 pm
well i hope you perceive that i am not hostile to you rr

and certainly their is no higher goal thatn the pursuit of truth

but what is truth?

http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/WhatIsTruth.htm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 12:58 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
well i hope you perceive that i am not hostile to you rr

and certainly their is no higher goal thatn the pursuit of truth

but what is truth?

http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/WhatIsTruth.htm


In this age, truth is: "the law of liberty" in ages to come it may evolve.

The "truth" has been revealed for two thousand years but it falls on the ears sleeping adolescents.

Mt 10:26
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Eph 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Lu 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 01:08 pm
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In this age, truth is: "the law of liberty" in ages to come it may evolve.
no truth is what we are all striving for. It may not be attainable but we know the direction. Again phrases like "the law of liberty" are either so obtuse or irrelevant that I really dont understand.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 01:09 pm
The debate continues...
Good to see you are all still here!
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 10:13 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
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In this age, truth is: "the law of liberty" in ages to come it may evolve.
no truth is what we are all striving for. It may not be attainable but we know the direction. Again phrases like "the law of liberty" are either so obtuse or irrelevant that I really dont understand.


The golden rule is embodied in the law of liberty... Do you understand that?

Love God, love your self and your neighbor... Smile Can't get any more truth than that. All other codes of conduct hang in the balance of the perfect law of liberty. Yet this law cannot be understood if all of the other laws are magnified above the simple law of walking in love through the spirit of liberty.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 10:20 am
Does anyone see that the term "law of liberty" is an oxymoron?

It is the culmination of these two terms "law and liberty" that define the balanced Christian walk of love.

Ga 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty;
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 02:38 pm
RexRed wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
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In this age, truth is: "the law of liberty" in ages to come it may evolve.
no truth is what we are all striving for. It may not be attainable but we know the direction. Again phrases like "the law of liberty" are either so obtuse or irrelevant that I really dont understand.


The golden rule is embodied in the law of liberty... Do you understand that?

Love God, love your self and your neighbor... Smile Can't get any more truth than that. All other codes of conduct hang in the balance of the perfect law of liberty. Yet this law cannot be understood if all of the other laws are magnified above the simple law of walking in love through the spirit of liberty.
Well I think there is a lot of common sense in treating others with respect. Christianity advocates this. I'm not sure Islam does. But then I think all religions are fundamentally flawed.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 02:47 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
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In this age, truth is: "the law of liberty" in ages to come it may evolve.
no truth is what we are all striving for. It may not be attainable but we know the direction. Again phrases like "the law of liberty" are either so obtuse or irrelevant that I really dont understand.


The golden rule is embodied in the law of liberty... Do you understand that?

Love God, love your self and your neighbor... Smile Can't get any more truth than that. All other codes of conduct hang in the balance of the perfect law of liberty. Yet this law cannot be understood if all of the other laws are magnified above the simple law of walking in love through the spirit of liberty.
Well I think there is a lot of common sense in treating others with respect. Christianity advocates this. I'm not sure Islam does. But then I think all religions are fundamentally flawed.


I believe religion (man made) is flawed but truth (God made ) is complete.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 02:51 pm
What exactly is the god made truth? Are you referring to the bible that has so many mistakes, errors and omissions, or is it something only "believers" understand?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 03:00 pm
RexRed wrote:
I believe ...truth ... is complete.
so do I.

What is truth?

Rex if we are children of the universe, ther is nothing we cant hear smell see or touch...sometimes with instruments we have designed.

so truth is the appication of sense and reason to observation

nothing whatsoever to do with a mythical figure dying on a roman crucifix
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 04:34 pm
The holy spirit is biblically defined as potential or kinetic power or energy.

The word power has been used to mean many things over the centuries.

i.e.

Governmental power (emperors, rulers, kings, despots, etc.)
Electrical power
Spiritual power

So the quandary in understanding the holy spirit is wondering if it is a he, she, person, ghost, the wind, a cloud, God, Gabriel or a whole host of other considerations. In studying what the holy spirit is it will serve one to look in the places of the Bible where the holy spirit's character or persona are CLEARLY identified.

Well I can help your search a bit because I have already spent years studying this field the (holy spirit). I have also had years to formulate my own ideas and to visualize the truths in detail. This is why I may seem like I speak in riddles, because I have learned some eloquence (not sure how) with the whole subject and sometimes it is easier to tell a story and then ask you to give me your answer and your answer will reveal the answer to why I think the way I do. Smile

We are a vessel and God supplies the waters that fill our souls to their capacity so that they over flow and spill out into the world.

These waters flow out of the heavens through a portal opened by Christ Jesus. They flow through his body and when we connect to this fountain we are filled with the waters of life.

Many theists do not realize that it was not God that caused the flood it was the devil that opened the heavens and cause the great destruction the Bible records. Through the spirit we learn that the flood was not physical water but the Bible is figuratively talking about paganism which leads to self worship.

But it is God today who pours out a blessing to counter the false God's the flood that cause such abominations to occur.

As I have studied the Bible I have noticed these actionary and reactionary legalistic interactions between the true God and the false God. The god of this world and the one true God have both poured out their spirits within the hearts of their own progeny.

But by nature people gather and hoard to make their own vessels out of broken pottery and they forsake God's fountain of unlimited waters for their own limited sources that more often than not is dry in the parched harsh seasons of life's common trials and tribulations.

The holy spirit is the power of life. It is erroneously translated ghost. It is attributed personal pronouns when it in actuality is an it. Is electricity alive as a conscious entity? No, but "it" is still a commodity, it is still a thing. Theists have it confused with the inner person of the mind.

The "inner person" of the believers mind is only a conduit for the spirit of God for the inner person is also created in the image of God.

So many of the theist's interpretations of the spirit are so far from the actual character and essence of the spirit that it is downright misleading.

But simply God [PBUH] fathers a seed within us (by the deeds of this son Christ Jesus [pbuh]) and the spirit is the energy used as the seed grows. Once implanted it can never be removed. For seed is permanent just as physical seed with your earthly father is permanent. Once you are born you will always be of your father's seed. (reproduction is not always an easy subject to grapple but it is one of our most innately understood traits by nature)

This "seed" can sit within a person and not grow or it can be nurtured spiritually. Perfect prayer builds the spirit.

Selflessness and patience are notable fruits of the spirit.

People want proof. Well watch a person who find the (often misdirected) liberty and love of God and see if their life does not evidence the fruit of the spirit. A tangible result that is measurable by over a thousand percent. The rate of observable spiritual growth is accelerated to the speed of light and we are propelled into the heavens each conquering time and space.

This is the spirit. The spirit is a gift, it is a one way ticket into the cosmos. This is why this seed embodies spiritual life. It is created and filled to overflowing with the spiritual waters. This is the heavenly power source from God.

So we can sit and be still or we can move as all life tends to do. If we move our spirit grows and we learn to operate it. If it stands still then all we are doing is honking the horn.

Spirit is power and power is energy. Energy is what makes a current move along a wire. This wire stretches up along the phone lines and connects directly to God. To God's internet, and you need a different dot com to be a citizen. Smile

But energy can either be contained like in a battery or it can become kinetic and fulfill its purpose it was designed for.

So in the most rudimentary form, the spirit God creates within us is a heavenly body that is sustained by spirit. Then we by the free will of our own minds operate the body and are filled by the spirit in the mind and world that surrounds us. This person is new and it is a virtual person that once recognized is actually who we really are. We transfer our soul to this spiritual body and we become part of another network.

We are carried along this network by our new bodies (the body of Christ Jesus) and it is the energy of the spirit (the faith of Jesus Christ) in manifestation that propels us at the speed of light so we shine to the world as lights of God's resplendent image and omnipotent power. From glory to glory world without end.

Romans 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost [Spirit]

Comment: This is the way I have formulated my own understanding (thought the Bible) of the spirit (in layman's terms) yet in a critical way. If anyone sees any contradiction I am certainly open for discussion.

It is like how light can be both a particle and a wave, because it is physical life mimicking spiritual life.

Peace with God.
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Raul-7
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 05:31 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:

I'm not sure Islam does. But then I think all religions are fundamentally flawed.


Abu Darda (ra) reported: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Nothing will be heavier on the Day of Resurrection in the scale of the believer than good manners. Allah hates one who utters foul or coarse language."
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 06:26 pm
Raul-7 wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:

I'm not sure Islam does. But then I think all religions are fundamentally flawed.


Abu Darda (ra) reported: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Nothing will be heavier on the Day of Resurrection in the scale of the believer than good manners. Allah hates one who utters foul or coarse language."


Very good Raul, God [PBUH] should not be faulted for the ill manners of men.
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