What bothers me about the Dems right now....

Right now, a new plan is being implemented by a new commander. The new commander, David H. Petraeus, has a track record of success. In fact, there is some preliminary info out of Bahgdad that the militias are beginning to stand down.

Tell me where I'm wrong. Tell me what happens, if Petraeus begins to find success, and it looks like our military is starting to turn a corner.

I think maybe their unveiled hatred of our President overrides all other considerations and they would rather ANYTHING happen than for him to be applauded or credited with anything positive.

Foxfyre wrote:

I think maybe their unveiled hatred of our President overrides all other considerations and they would rather ANYTHING happen than for him to be applauded or credited with anything positive.

He is not capable of doing anything positive so we can dismiss that scenario.

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Right now, a new plan is being implemented by a new commander. The new commander, David H. Petraeus, has a track record of success. In fact, there is some preliminary info out of Bahgdad that the militias are beginning to stand down.

Same old song and dance.

(But you do have your talking points down)

Thanks for the viewpoint from the pro-war and pro-killing crowd.




Now back to reality....

One need look no further than the Murtha crowd declaring it a quagmire and demanding an immediate withdrawal even as the brave Iraqis dodged bullets and bombs in defiance of tyranny to exercise their newly earned right to vote

I don't follow you, Ebrown. What do you see as spin?

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One need look no further than the Murtha crowd declaring it a quagmire and demanding an immediate withdrawal even as the brave Iraqis dodged bullets and bombs in defiance of tyranny to exercise their newly earned right to vote

... and just who is firing the bullets and planting the bombs these brave Iraqis are dodging?

This is the only issue where I have seen you engage in such blatant spin.

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I don't follow you, Ebrown. What do you see as spin?

Uh, that it's brave Iraqi's shooting bullets and setting off bombs killing brave Iraqi's attempting to exercise their newly earned right to vote.

Iraq belongs to the Iraqis. What is perplexing is Brandon's use of the term "anti-democratic forces', since most Iraqis (in the most non-partisan polls we have including Gallup) want the US out which begs the question of what democratic forces would look like.

But this is not brave Iraqi's standing up to an outside force (unless that outside force is us).

This is Iraqis fighting Iraqis over the future of THEIR country. The idea that we can, or should, impose our idea of "democracy" on them, when so many of them are willing to give up their lives (bravely or not) to oppose us is more and more ludicrous.

My only point is that Iraq belongs to the Iraqis. The sooner we accept that, the sooner this inane war will end.

That's too simple

The president took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command, whose jurisdiction includes Iraq, the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable ­and predicted ­disarray that has followed.

The war's costs to our nation have been staggering. Financially. The damage to our reputation around the world. The lost opportunities to defeat the forces of international terrorism. And especially the precious blood of our citizens who have stepped forward to serve.

The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction. Not one step back from the war against international terrorism. Not a precipitous withdrawal that ignores the possibility of further chaos. But an immediate shift toward strong regionally based diplomacy, a policy that takes our soldiers off the streets of Iraq's cities, and a formula that will in short order allow our combat forces to leave Iraq.

On both of these vital issues, our economy and our national security, it falls upon those of us in elected office to take action.

Regarding the economic imbalance in our country, I am reminded of the situation President Theodore Roosevelt faced in the early days of the 20th century. America was then, as now, drifting apart along class lines. The so-called robber barons were unapologetically raking in a huge percentage of the national wealth. The dispossessed workers at the bottom were threatening revolt.

Roosevelt spoke strongly against these divisions. He told his fellow Republicans that they must set themselves as resolutely against improper corporate influence on the one hand as against demagogy and mob rule on the other. And he did something about it.

As I look at Iraq, I recall the words of former general and soon-to-be President Dwight Eisenhower during the dark days of the Korean War, which had fallen into a bloody stalemate. "When comes the end?" asked the general who had commanded our forces in Europe during World War II. And as soon as he became president, he brought the Korean War to an end.

These presidents took the right kind of action, for the benefit of the American people and for the health of our relations around the world. Tonight we are calling on this president to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way.