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Willing to send his son

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 12:52 pm
Hey, McCain's son and john Kerry have something in common.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 12:53 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
ROFLMAO

mm still can't see the irony of his position; comparing death rates in the US to Iraq. .


The point I was making is that you are so concerned about the death rate in Iraq,yet you ignore the "violent death rate" in the US.

Are you more concerned with Iraq then with the US?


probably most of the violent deaths are conservative mouth frothing violent Americans from backasswards area in the mid west killing each other.... so that has to be filed under culling the chaff.....
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:00 pm
mysteryman wrote:
And here is an interesting article.

http://newsbusters.org/node/9932

According to the article I just linked to,9 CITIES in the US have a higher "murder rate" then Iraqs "violent death" rate in 2006.



Yeah. But it's not an "article", it's a blog entry. And it seems to significantly underreport the civilian death rate in Iraq. To be fair, the blog entry seems to get its numbers from "Iraqi government officials".

However, the ninth bimonthly report of the UN Assistance Mission to Iraq (UNAMI) from January 16th, 2007, states that

34,452 Iraqi civilians were killed in 2006
36,685 Iraqi civilians were injured in 2006

In November and December 2006, 6,376 civilians were killed violently - 4,731 of them in Baghdad.

That puts the prevalence of homicide at roughly 132 persons per 100,000 annually for Iraq, and at about 477 per 100,000 for Baghdad.


Now, the author seems to claim that there have been American cities that have had a higher murder rate at one point or the other - the most violent one being Washington, DC in 1991 with 83.1 per 100,000.

This is a regrettably high number for the capital of that shining beacon of democracy that the United States are. A pity you don't seem to be able to clean up your act.

However, in my book, 83.1 is still significantly lower than 132 for the whole country of Iraq or 477 for Baghdad.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:02 pm
mm still doesn't comprehend the difference between "accidents" and "killing."
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm still doesn't comprehend the difference between "accidents" and "killing."


So the murder rate in the US is an "accident",is that what you are saying?
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:06 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm still doesn't comprehend the difference between "accidents" and "killing."


Actually, Sweden has announced a "War on Traffic Accidents". They just call it differently. It's called the Vision Zero project, and its aim is to lower deaths from traffic accidents to zero.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:08 pm
mm, Quit projecting unrealities.

You wrote: The death rate from traffic accidents,as of 1999,was just over 3445 people per month. About 41,345 people lost their lives in traffic crashes during 1999. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats/1999_car_accident_stats.html
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Quit projecting unrealities.

You wrote: The death rate from traffic accidents,as of 1999,was just over 3445 people per month. About 41,345 people lost their lives in traffic crashes during 1999. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats/1999_car_accident_stats.html


And thats unreal??

41345 / 12 =3445.416

So,my number of deaths per month was accurate.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:14 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Quit projecting unrealities.

You wrote: The death rate from traffic accidents,as of 1999,was just over 3445 people per month. About 41,345 people lost their lives in traffic crashes during 1999. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats/1999_car_accident_stats.html


And thats unreal??

41345 / 12 =3445.416

So,my number of deaths per month was accurate.


c.i. can't do higher math mm.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:15 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Quit projecting unrealities.

You wrote: The death rate from traffic accidents,as of 1999,was just over 3445 people per month. About 41,345 people lost their lives in traffic crashes during 1999. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats/1999_car_accident_stats.html


And thats unreal??

41345 / 12 =3445.416

So,my number of deaths per month was accurate.



So what's your point, mysteryman? Should the White House mobilize the National Guard to regulate and control the traffic in the United States, in order to avoid more deaths from traffic accidents?

Or are you saying that someone cannot be concerned about the high number of deadly traffic accidents in the United States and the high number of Iraqi civilians blown to tiny bits at the same time - that it's an either/or situation?

I don't get it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:19 pm
The concept is too spacial for mm and McG to understand.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:19 pm
old europe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Quit projecting unrealities.

You wrote: The death rate from traffic accidents,as of 1999,was just over 3445 people per month. About 41,345 people lost their lives in traffic crashes during 1999. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats/1999_car_accident_stats.html


And thats unreal??

41345 / 12 =3445.416

So,my number of deaths per month was accurate.



So what's your point, mysteryman? Should the White House mobilize the National Guard to regulate and control the traffic in the United States, in order to avoid more deaths from traffic accidents?

Or are you saying that someone cannot be concerned about the high number of deadly traffic accidents in the United States and the high number of Iraqi civilians blown to tiny bits at the same time - that it's an either/or situation?

I don't get it.


What I am saying is that the people on the left that are so concerned about the death rate in Iraq seem to be doing nothing to ease the death rate from traffic accidents AND homocide here in the US.

Apparently Iraq is more important to thtem because it gets them the most political points.
And thats all it is to them,a political game.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:25 pm
How would you affect the death rate from traffic accidents, mysteryman?

That's my concern. What I can do to prevent deaths, without stomping on civil liberties.

For example, we could outlaw cars. Everyone who has a car -- drive it to the local impound lot by noon tomorrow or face a jail term. That would solve a whole lot of problems at once.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:25 pm
mysteryman wrote:
What I am saying is that the people on the left that are so concerned about the death rate in Iraq seem to be doing nothing to ease the death rate from traffic accidents AND homocide here in the US.

Apparently Iraq is more important to thtem because it gets them the most political points.
And thats all it is to them,a political game.



I guess you have a point. I have not heard a specific proposal from the left to lower the deaths from traffic accidents.

What are people on the right proposing to lower the number of Americans dying in traffic accidents every year, mysterman? Do people on the right have a plan - a proposal, or a solution?

Or do people on the right not care about the deaths of Americans?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:27 pm
(I really need to just leave these things to old europe... Laughing)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:30 pm
mm usually puts himself into a corner to make himself look the village idiot. Good going, old europe.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:30 pm
old europe wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
What I am saying is that the people on the left that are so concerned about the death rate in Iraq seem to be doing nothing to ease the death rate from traffic accidents AND homocide here in the US.

Apparently Iraq is more important to thtem because it gets them the most political points.
And thats all it is to them,a political game.



I guess you have a point. I have not heard a specific proposal from the left to lower the deaths from traffic accidents.

What are people on the right proposing to lower the number of Americans dying in traffic accidents every year, mysterman? Do people on the right have a plan - a proposal, or a solution?

Or do people on the right not care about the deaths of Americans?


I cant answer you,I'm not a member of the right.

But,there have been seat belt laws enacted,air bags and other safety devices installed on auto's,etc.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:32 pm
Yet the fatality rate remains high.

So the next step should be...?
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:34 pm
sozobe wrote:
How would you affect the death rate from traffic accidents, mysteryman?

That's my concern. What I can do to prevent deaths, without stomping on civil liberties.

For example, we could outlaw cars. Everyone who has a car -- drive it to the local impound lot by noon tomorrow or face a jail term. That would solve a whole lot of problems at once.


sozobe, I really like the Swedish Vision Zero project:

Quote:
"Vision Zero" is the basis for the work being conducted on
road safety in Sweden. It is an image of a desirable future society
in which no one would be killed or seriously injured in road traffic.

We can no longer accept the fact that people are being punished
every year by death or lifelong suffering for having made a
simple mistake in traffic.

Since people sometimes make mistakes, it is impossible to
prevent traffic accidents altogether. However, it is possible to
alleviate the consequences of a collision through roads and
vehicles becoming safer. Moreover, the risk can be reduced through
greater insight into the importance of safe behaviour in traffic.


(here's the link to the PDF file)
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Feb, 2007 01:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm usually puts himself into a corner to make himself look the village idiot. Good going, old europe.


And what corner was that?
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