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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 10:40 am
I love the "strength and honor" phrase from Gladiator. For personal use, I would like to know how to render "faith, strength, honor" in Latin. Thanks for any help.

William K.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 11:05 am
fides, vires, honor
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williamk
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 11:12 am
George wrote:
fides, vires, honor


Thank you, George.

From an online translation "machine," I got "fides, vires, veneratio." Could you explain the difference between "veneratio" and Latin "honor"?

I assume from your translation that Latin and English "honor" are spelled exactly the same?

Thanks again,

WK
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williamk
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 11:12 am
George wrote:
fides, vires, honor


Thank you, George.

From an online translation "machine," I got "fides, vires, veneratio." Could you explain the difference between "veneratio" and Latin "honor"?

I assume from your translation that Latin and English "honor" are spelled exactly the same?

Thanks again,

WK
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George
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 12:55 pm
williamk wrote:
George wrote:
fides, vires, honor


Thank you, George.

From an online translation "machine," I got "fides, vires, veneratio." Could you explain the difference between "veneratio" and Latin "honor"?

I assume from your translation that Latin and English "honor" are spelled exactly the same?

Thanks again,

WK

Great question.

"Honor" of course has multiple meanings. We honor someone when we
pay them respect or reverence. "Veneratio" is that kind of honor. Now in
classical times, the Latin word "honor" meant honor in the sense of
distinction and dignity, but past the classical age and into the Middle Ages
it acquired the meaning we now associate with it and when you find it in
mottoes, that is the word that is used. The closest classical Latin word to
what we mean by honor would probably be "honestas" or even "fides."

As to spelling, the original spelling was "honos", which became "honor."
(Note that an Englishman would deny that "honor" without a "u" is the
English spelling.)
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williamk
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jan, 2007 08:07 pm
Thanks again, George. Very helpful.

From your description it almost seems that the classical (Gladiator) sense of honor is veneratio. Would that be right?

Probably wrong since you suggested "honor." But your reference to the classical sense of what honor meant ("dignity") piqued my interest.

Thanks again,

William K.
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