Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

neologist wrote:

The bible was not written as a scientific treatise. It was written to explain God's qualities and purposes to agrarian men. If you read it as such, it just may become more clear.

This answer seems in conflict with your previous comment:

neologist wrote:

xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Can you explain the discrepancy?

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Steve 41oo wrote:

neologist wrote:
The bible was written to be understood by ordinary folks without the intercession of a priesthood. As such, its language is plain and many academic details may have been left out.
Glad to learn the ordinary folks of the US are so familiar with Hebrew Aramaic Greek and Latin.

The many English translations currently available are in essential agreement. Which one do you wish to use?

xingu wrote:

And, of course, nothing is lost in translation or was ever, ever, edited in any manner by copiest.

If the bible was indeed inspired by God, it seems reasonable that he would offer sufficient protection to the copying and translating. This is evident from my answer to Steve, above.

rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:
The bible was not written as a scientific treatise. It was written to explain God's qualities and purposes to agrarian men. If you read it as such, it just may become more clear.

This answer seems in conflict with your previous comment:

neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Can you explain the discrepancy?

Sure. Can you point out the discrepancy?

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Neo wrote:

If the bible was indeed inspired by God, it seems reasonable that he would offer sufficient protection to the copying and translating. This is evident from my answer to Steve, above.

Wishful thinking and an assumption.

BTW, you didn't answer one of my questions.

Where did the other half of Jesus' DNA come from?

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neologist wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
neologist wrote:
The bible was not written as a scientific treatise. It was written to explain God's qualities and purposes to agrarian men. If you read it as such, it just may become more clear.

This answer seems in conflict with your previous comment:

neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Can you explain the discrepancy?
Sure. Can you point out the discrepancy?

I already did (in the post itself, using your own quotes). Are you just trying to be difficult, or do you really not get it for some reason?

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It goes way beyond "agrarian men." If what you say is true, all those theologians who spent years studying and translating the bible wasted their life.

If you're claiming it's the simplicity of the bible, why are there so many contradictions? Love thy neighbor but kill your unruly son and homosexuals you encounter?

The bible and simplicity in the same statement is an oxymoron.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It goes way beyond "agrarian men." If what you say is true, all those theologians who spent years studying and translating the bible wasted their life.

If you're claiming it's the simplicity of the bible, why are there so many contradictions? Love thy neighbor but kill your unruly son and homosexuals you encounter?

The bible and simplicity in the same statement is an oxymoron.

Neo has a way out of that ci; good God-bad God. Two Gods.

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xingu wrote:

Neo wrote:
If the bible was indeed inspired by God, it seems reasonable that he would offer sufficient protection to the copying and translating. This is evident from my answer to Steve, above.

Wishful thinking and an assumption.

BTW, you didn't answer one of my questions.

Where did the other half of Jesus' DNA come from?

Are you referring to this masterpiece of intellectual debate?

xingu wrote:

Did God have DNA? Since you believe in the virgin birth do you think half of Jesus' DNA came from God? Or an angel? Or where?

Genetics is not discussed in the bible. All that can be discerned is that Jehovah provided whatever was needed for Jesus to be born a human. If true, it must certainly have been no more of a feat than creating a human from dust.

As far as the wishful thinking and assumption is concerned, when you raise the question of how the bible could have been correctly copied and translated, you pretty much have to expect that I will answer that the power to inspire the writing is sufficient to oversee the copying.

I understand that you don't believe the writing to have been inspired and I accept your objections as legitimate points for debate. But whether you realize it or not, you operate at a distinct disadvantage when you attempt to clarify the meaning of something you do not believe.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

It goes way beyond "agrarian men." If what you say is true, all those theologians who spent years studying and translating the bible wasted their life.

Agrarian men don't have to be stupid, first of all. And the theologians who labored hard in translating the bible stand in direct contrast to the priests who labored hard to obfuscate what was written in order to maintain power over the flock.

cicerone imposter wrote:

If you're claiming it's the simplicity of the bible, why are there so many contradictions? Love thy neighbor but kill your unruly son and homosexuals you encounter?

That's not a contradiction. The Mosaic law was rigorous for a reason.

cicerone imposter wrote:

The bible and simplicity in the same statement is an oxymoron.

You are not alone in your belief, nor are you correct.

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Just because God had laid down guidelines concerning slavery....that does not mean God was "peaches & cream" over the idea of slavery.

How far do you think we are from slavery these days? There is nothing more enslaving than to convince people they are free when they are being held captive without their knowledge.

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Bartikus wrote:

Just because God had laid down guidelines concerning slavery....that does not mean God was "peaches & cream" over the idea of slavery.

Guidelines for slavery directly support that slavery is acceptable. God, as christians have presented him loves to give commandments and rules, it would seem obvious to me that if he wasn't peaches and cream over this it would explicitly say so.

Bartikus wrote:

How far do you think we are from slavery these days? There is nothing more enslaving than to convince people they are free when they are being held captive without their knowledge.

This is ridiculous. What a ignorant way totrivialize REAL slavery by equating it to the status quo. weak sause dude.

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I simply posed a response and asked a question. Relax. I think REAL slavery does still exist...even in America.

By the way, how is REAL slavery defined...?

1.)Servant to another
2.)Treated as property
3.)Unable to own land etc.
4.)One who does not own the profits of his own labor.

Yeah...your free.

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Bartikus wrote:

I simply posed a response and asked a question. Relax. I think REAL slavery does still exist...even in America.

By the way, how is REAL slavery defined...?

1.)Servant to another
2.)Treated as property
3.)Unable to own land etc.
4.)One who does not own the profits of his own labor.

Yeah...your free.

1) Any servitude I offer, I'm paid for in some manor.
2) Any relationship where I've even suspected my own objectification, I have challenge it and won.
3) I can certainly own land, given the capitol.
4) see 1)
Yeah, I'm free.

You act as if these things cannot go challeged.

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When you work for a company like....Walmart. Who has the superseding right to your wages? You or the government?

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Bartikus wrote:

When you work for a company like....Walmart. Who has the superseding right to your wages?

I do. Whether those rights are exercised is another thing, but I could always quit Walmart. In bondage, I would not be able to quit Walmart. Even when working for one of the worst companies in the world liek Walmart, I still get paid.

not a good example.

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No you don't, government gets paid first. Government has decided that their right to your wages comes first.

You own land? Truly? What happens if you fall behind on property taxes (giving more wages/ labor)?

Pay this and we will allow you to maintain "ownership"! Sounds like something other than ownership to me.

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I suppose, in a very real sense, any form of obedience to another may be considered slavery.

When humans were created, there was no obedience required except to a single law.

According to the bible, that is.

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Bartikus wrote:

No you don't, government gets paid first.

You own land? Truly? What happens if you fall behind on property taxes (giving more wages)?

Pay this and we will allow you to maintain "ownership"! Sounds like something other than ownership to me.

Actually they get paid last. thoses taxes are witheld and if we didn't have them taken at every paycheck, can you imagine how much we would have to save up come April 17th?

You have to pay taxes sure, but we dod live in a country where we have influence (although limited) over how that money is spent.

A don't agree with your analysis of property taxes as being evidence of slavery. If that's the case everyone is a slave and no one is a slave driver. Salvery as a concept is meaningless without the notion of a slave driver.

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I am not equating slavery of yesterday to today. I am simply pointing out that no one really can own land and everyone must pay whatever tax our government decides is appropriate in order to enjoy whatever liberties we enjoy.

This is why many Native Americans would not bend to the white man.

They knew the difference between true freedom and the illusion of freedom.

That's all. Just something to think about. I hope we never see the resurgence of people being whipped and forced into labor camps.

Does anyone know where in the world such things still occur?

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But still, for slavery to have any meaning, you must have a slave driver. you seem to be proposing that our government is that slave driver, but our slave driver in this case would be more people who by your own standards would additionally be slaves to the government, which is them?

It's a recurcive error in logic. I don't think your definition of slavery works.

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The Federal Reserve is privately owned and they print the money.

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