Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

Oh, did I capitalize frank? Sorry.

The assertion that A&E had no conscience, no instinctive moral compass, raises the question of what mechanism might have come into play whenever they had a moral choice. Would they have lacked the ability to discern good from bad?

It's a little like having a governor on your automobile engine. Whoever installed it must have felt it necessary to protect the rings, pistons, camshaft, etc. You may choose to disable the governor and choose RPMs for yourself or accept the guidance of the installer.

Adam and Eve had a preinstalled moral guide which they chose to abandon in favor of making decisions of good and bad for themselves.

To me, the interpretation is obvious. That doesn't mean I can't see a slim possibility that you may be right. But it befuddles my sense of logic that you can be so absolutely certain.

A person who does not believe the bible, yet claims to have a complete understanding of what it says? (at least in relation to this topic) Question

Even I cannot make that claim for myself.

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The best you can do is call an apple a moral guide? That's a far cry from god's approval of slavery.

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Ah, which God are you talking about ci. There are so many of them in Neo's life.

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He's allowed to pick his own "poison."

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cicerone imposter wrote:

The best you can do is call an apple a moral guide? That's a far cry from god's approval of slavery.

Your words, not mine.

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xingu wrote:

Ah, which God are you talking about ci. There are so many of them in Neo's life.

Only one true God I try to obey. I try to avoid the false.

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neo, How do you decide which is the true god vs the false god?
You can't see him, you can't get him to talk to you, and he doesn't appear at any time to say yea or nay.

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neologist wrote:

xingu wrote:
neologist wrote:
xingu wrote:
Oh really Neo. Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life? Or do you think it's one of many of thousands of creation myths that have been created by humans?

Where there really people living to be 600-900 years old?

And God was a human, or human-like physical being who walking about the Garden of Eden and talked to A&E?

Did God have DNA? Since you believe in the virgin birth do you think half of Jesus' DNA came from God? Or an angel? Or where?
Yes and no

What's wrong, can't answer this?
More than one question. More than one answer.

Try answering them one at a time, don't strain yourself.

Joe(we're a patient bunch, but only you have all eternity.)Nation

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OK.

xingu wrote:

Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?

Yes.

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And you believe that based solely on it's mention in the Text.

Joe(right so far?)Nation

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neologist wrote:

Oh, did I capitalize frank? Sorry.

The assertion that A&E had no conscience, no instinctive moral compass, raises the question of what mechanism might have come into play whenever they had a moral choice. Would they have lacked the ability to discern good from bad?

That is, as silly as it may sound, exactly what the story in no uncertain terms tells us. The proof of the pudding being the inclusion in the story of a magical tree. The story even makes the point of showing Adam & Eves innocence before before eating of the tree and contrasting it with the after effect.

Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 3:7 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

And just to make sure there was no misunderstanding the author includes

3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

neologist wrote:

It's a little like having a governor on your automobile engine. Whoever installed it must have felt it necessary to protect the rings, pistons, camshaft, etc. You may choose to disable the governor and choose RPMs for yourself or accept the guidance of the installer.

Adam and Eve had a preinstalled moral guide which they chose to abandon in favor of making decisions of good and bad for themselves.

Complete fabrication with as Setanta says NOT not a shred of evidence for it in the text of Genesis.

neologist wrote:

To me, the interpretation is obvious. That doesn't mean I can't see a slim possibility that you may be right. But it befuddles my sense of logic that you can be so absolutely certain.

A person who does not believe the bible, yet claims to have a complete understanding of what it says? (at least in relation to this topic) Even I cannot make that claim for myself.

Try using your sense of logic on what the text says rather than what you need it to say.

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neologist wrote:

OK.
xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Why do you suppose trees with those particular properties were chosen? They are after all very unusual properties, not mentioned elsewhere.

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Joe Nation wrote:

And you believe that based solely on it's mention in the Text.

Joe(right so far?)Nation

If you mean the book of Genesis and other references in the bible, yes. Are we making progress?

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neologist wrote:

OK.
xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Then you are delusional. You're talking about a fairy tale pure and simple. How can you not see it? Are you choosing not to see it, intentionally? What the heck.

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rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:
OK.
xingu wrote:
Do you really think there was a real physical Garden of Eden located on earth with a real tree of knowledge and life?
Yes.

Then you are delusional. You're talking about a fairy tale pure and simple. How can you not see it? Are you choosing not to see it, intentionally? What the heck.

I understand what you are saying and the point of view you represent. It is same point of view I held for the first 30 years of my life and which gave me great satisfaction.

I never stopped to think that the entire bible might have been written to document the fulfilment of God's purpose and how the entire 66 books interrelate. I never realized the true nature of the priests who, in claiming to represent God, actually have expounded lies to advance their purpose. It is their lives which non believers have adopted as their straw men.

The bible was not written as a scientific treatise. It was written to explain God's qualities and purposes to agrarian men. If you read it as such, it just may become more clear.

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If you read it as such, you reduce yourself to the level of the naive by sacrificing your own intelligence, common sense and logic. That's too high a price to pay. You throw away all your common sense judgements.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

If you read it as such, you reduce yourself to the level of the naive by sacrificing your own intelligence, common sense and logic. That's too high a price to pay. You throw away all your common sense judgements.

The bible was written to be understood by ordinary folks without the intercession of a priesthood. As such, its language is plain and many academic details may have been left out. That doesn't mean its message is not subject to test or intellectual evaluation. But it does mean that an intellectual will not find any hidden message or privileged communication. An intelligent person will have no greater understanding than will Joe Sixpack, who, by the way, sends his regards and an invitation to the barbecue this weekend. (BYOB)

Given the propensity of the clergy to fleece the flock, this is as it should be. And it is one of the reasons I have continued to study the bible and associate with my fellow believers.

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Neo wrote:

The bible was written to be understood by ordinary folks without the intercession of a priesthood. As such, its language is plain and many academic details may have been left out.

Which means the Garden of Eden was a myth. It was a story to give reason and instruction. It was not a real event or a real place; A&E were not real people. They were symbolic.

The earth was not created in the manner or sequence as described in the Bible. There was no flood of the epic proportion as stated in the Bible.

Stories, nothing more. Stories to teach and show. Stories, not written or inspired by God, but by the tribal men explaining their tribal God. No different than the thousands of other tribes that lived around this planet.

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neologist wrote:

The bible was written to be understood by ordinary folks without the intercession of a priesthood. As such, its language is plain and many academic details may have been left out.

Glad to learn the ordinary folks of the US are so familiar with Hebrew Aramaic Greek and Latin.

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And, of course, nothing is lost in translation or was ever, ever, edited in any manner by copiest.

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