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Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

 
 
RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 11:16 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...
how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?


That is something the barbarians decide...
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 11:17 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...
how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?


According to God...forever.

In the opening paragraph of this thread Frank Apisa wrote:
At Leviticus 25:44, the god of the Bible tells Moses:

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among the neighboring nations. You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land.

Such slaves you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves."

This particular quote is from a Catholic Bible -- but I have confirmed the passage in Protestant and Jewish Bibles -- and it is essentially the same. The major elements are in each:

1) You may own slaves both male and female.

2) You may purchase the slaves.

3) You may own them and treat them as chattels.

4) You may leave them to your heirs as hereditary property.

5) You may keep them slaves forever.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 11:30 am
mesquite wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...
how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?


According to God...forever.

In the opening paragraph of this thread Frank Apisa wrote:
At Leviticus 25:44, the god of the Bible tells Moses:

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you buy them from among the neighboring nations. You may also buy them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land.

Such slaves you may own as chattels, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, making them perpetual slaves."

This particular quote is from a Catholic Bible -- but I have confirmed the passage in Protestant and Jewish Bibles -- and it is essentially the same. The major elements are in each:

1) You may own slaves both male and female.

2) You may purchase the slaves.

3) You may own them and treat them as chattels.

4) You may leave them to your heirs as hereditary property.

5) You may keep them slaves forever.


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond [slave] nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 11:55 am
Except for homosexuals.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 01:50 pm
RexRed wrote:
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond [slave] nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


I am sure that verse was soothing to the wounds of the slave that was beaten in accordance with God's law.

Quote:
Exd 21:20
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Exd 21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he [is] his money.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 02:03 pm
RexRed wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...
how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?


That is something the barbarians decide...
are you serious? if not its quite funny

but are you saying uncivilised people arrive as slaves then after a time that they decide, they become free and civilised? If you are I seriously doubt your sanity.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 02:42 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...
how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?


That is something the barbarians decide...
are you serious? if not its quite funny

but are you saying uncivilised people arrive as slaves then after a time that they decide, they become free and civilised? If you are I seriously doubt your sanity.


Should we just invite heathens and terrorists to live among us without first educating them in the decorum of our society and the liberty of it's peoples first?

BTW, the word civilized has a "z" not an "s" in it... Smile
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 02:45 pm
RexRed wrote:
BTW, the word civilized has a "z" not an "s" in it... Smile
well I cant help it if you keep spelling it wrongly :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 03:59 pm
Actually, "civilized" and "civilised" are both correct.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:28 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Except for homosexuals.


What, homosexuals aren't male or female?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:30 pm
A typical right-wing christian response; stupid.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:30 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
RexRed wrote:
BTW, the word civilized has a "z" not an "s" in it... Smile
well I cant help it if you keep spelling it wrongly :wink:


Well yours was wronger. Smile
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:32 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
A typical right-wing christian response; stupid.


I am neither right wing nor left wing but I am a radically moderate voice here. :wink:
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:36 pm
Then I can spell it homozexuals... Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jul, 2007 08:38 pm
When you quack like one...
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Talkactive
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 05:23 am
Hello to all of you!

Have ones ever thought of that all kind of religion is created by humans and a snare and a racket, which keep men and woman in slavery, wheter it is physical or spiritual slavery, based at doctrines and Mind Control, which has been responsible for mostly all wars, evilness and killings, in the whole world history?

If we humans would have listen and follow the two commandments Christ Jesus gave in Matthew 22:35-40 we would't have had and have wars, killings, conflicts, hate and evil acts, it would be a solution at all problems in the whole world, yes for all mankind:

22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


What does love really mean?, the Scriptures gives a very fine definition in Romans 13:8-10:

13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


Furthermore Paul explain and give a fine guidance how we can have a good life, when we practice love and charity in 1 Corinthians 13:1-13:

13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

So the question we all have to ask ourselves, especially those who say they believe in God and labelled themselves as Christians or Muslims is, do we follow the commandments of love or religious leaders evil man created doctrines, which Christ Jesus explained and condemned in John 8:42-44?

8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Christian love to all of you.

Talkactive.

Ps.
The Watchtowers Society's hypocrisy in the blood question can be seen and are documented at http://www.ajwrb.org

Ecclesiastes 1:18!
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
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People can't hear and carry the truth, because the lies are tickling their ears!

Jeremiah 8:8!
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
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xingu
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 06:43 am
Another great contradiction in the Bible?

The Golden Rule is universal among different religions.

So how many slave owners would like to be slaves?

None you think?

Why does God endorse slavery?

Maybe God doesn't; it's the men who wrote the Bible that do; and they're not God nor did they get their message from God.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 02:41 pm
The bible is the "word of god" or it isn't. It's most likely, without question, the product of man, and only "men." Women were not regarded as equal back in those days 2000 years ago. Slaves were okayed by men too! Those writers probably owned some slaves.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 03:35 pm
Well, the bible is essentially the account of two gods. So, when you talk about the god of the bible, you have to define the individual. The god of this world is not currently the God who created the world.
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Talkactive
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jul, 2007 05:41 pm
Here is what Wikipedia inform about slavery in the Scriptures, which was strictly regulated and merely a form of social ordinance/welfare, totally different from kidnapping of people for slavery and the cruel and evil way slaves have been treated, e.g. the Jews in former Egypt and black people in America.

Slavery in the Bible

According to historian Bernard Lewis, both the Old and the New Testaments recognize and accept the institution of slavery as allowable under certain circumstance (Leviticus 25:44-46; Exodus 21:7-11).

The Old Testament sets rules allows slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46; Exodus 21:7-11), while at the same time forbidding one to return a runaway slave (Deuteronomy 23:16-17). There are many other conditions to slavery in the Old testament. For example, Hebrew slaves must be freed after six years of servitude (Exodus 21:2). Masters also do not have complete control over the lives of their slaves. If a master beat his slave so severely that the slave is killed immediately, the master is to be punished. If the master had beat the slave but had no intent on killing him/her, the master can go unpunished (Exodus 21:21). Many take it to mean a typical "slave" in this context would be more of an employee than someone in captive for forced labor. It is also against Jewish Law to have, or permit, a sex slave.
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